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- Governments are not exempt from Cloud Act and US providers can be under gag order, so from EU or UK government perspective, they will never know if data has been accessed by 3rd country and what happened to it.
This is actually amazing that all the tenders have not been rejected under national security grounds or simply security services (yet again) have not done the job tax payers pay them to do.
by varispeed - > U.S. companies can be forced to hand over data, regardless of where it is stored
s/U.S./Chinese/
Tomato <=> Tomato
- The whole concept of big cloud somehow setting up sovereign clouds in Europe seems incredibly naive to me.
Every AWS employee knows where his bread is buttered - Seattle not Brussels
by Havoc - A bit of a "hoist by their own petard" situation since the US has been raising this specter about Chinese tech for quite some time.by emodendroket
- But then who can? No global cloud providers, including Hetzner and OVH, are free from CLOUD act because they have US presence[1].by josephh
- An inevitable consequence of this administration destroying US foreign influence and power at an unprecedented rate is that (IMHO) it is inevitable that the EU builds their own cloud and mandates its use for EU data. It is becoming a matter of national security.
The interesting thing is that the US is acting in the exact way that they accuse China of acting. Companies like Huawei are forbidden from installing telecom infrastructure for "national security" reasons [1]. One of justifications for first banning then forcing a sale of Tiktok was because of possible Chinese government interference. It's only a matter of time before the EU and China start making the same determination against US tech giants (eg Meta executive brags about silencing dissent [2]).
This administration really is killing the golden goose.
[1]: https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/us-fcc-bans-e...
by jmyeet - > Carniaux did say that the situation had never arisen.
That's what he would say if the company was under a gag order in the US. So I would take anything they say with a mountain of salt.
- This applies to any company, doesn't it?
Your home country can tell you "Give us your data" and you have to comply.
"I will never give up customer data" is a very tough promise to keep, if the government threatens you with your business license being revoked, your servers and domains being forcibly seized by the police, and you personally going to jail.
(Under the current US administration, we can add "A close examination of the immigration status of all foreign nationals employed by your company, followed by probable deportation or jail" to the list of potential consequences for resisting the government.)
by csense