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- X: What are you folks doing?
A: Writing docs at an SF AI company for $500k TC.
B: Designing, maintaining, and implementing all features for a platform in the IoT sector in Spain — alone — for €40,000.
A: Spain? I just bought a villa near the beach, close to Alicante. Do you know it?
B: Yes..
by drchaim - There is a reason the EU has massive brain drain towards the US. This comes with the territory of being super unfriendly to corporations and high earners. It has its benefits too of course. Free healthcare, safety net, public transit, well maintained cities, happier median person.
While the EU does a good job optimizing life for the median person, it is a nightmare for the exceptional. It should find a way to fix this or the brain drain will continue.
by solenoid0937 - I worked with Alex (founder of stainless) at Stripe and he's awesome. Happy for him and well deserved. Congrats Alex! :)by jypepin
- I worked with him at Hired. Great dude!by bherms
- Aww, well this thread is a nice surprise :) thanks for the kind words!by rattray
- I met him via HN, and somehow got the opportunity to work closely with him on Stainless since the very early days, I can confirm he is awesome! He did such a fantastic work building the team and developing a very unique culture of excellence and kindnessby dgellow
- I worked with both Alex (stainless) and Jarred (bun) at Stripe, and they were both notable for their high energy and output. I did find it amusing that Anthropic picked both the Xtripes up and wonder how many Xtripes at at Anthropic hiring their ex-coworkers.
Congrats to them both, and I'm not at all surprised! Great acquihires.
by flog - Here is a powerful OSS extensible alternative from Microsoft. It’s what generates all azure SDKs, docs, CLIs now, and it’s really good.by serbrech
- TypeSpec is awesome!!
(disclaimer: founder of Stainless and also friends with creator of TypeSpec)
by rattray - I used to love reading about everything Anthropic was building/doing but the way they’ve toyed with limits has really soured me on them so now I largely ignore the news except for when I decide to piss and moan. The AI space baffles me. One minute a company is the darling of the industry and the next they’ve drawn ire by taking a defense contract, introducing a bug that burns through all your tokens, cutting limits down to comical lows or just straight nerfing a model in production. It’s hard to keep up with how quickly public opinion turns on these companies but Anthropic has been especially rough lately.by replwoacause
- My understanding was that they did that to curb the demand somehow. Normally you would just buy more compute but that is not an option they have.by GoToRO
- Stainless blog post: https://www.stainless.com/blog/stainless-is-joining-anthropi...
- I can't find the word "journey" — I'm disappointed.by jwr
- As a Stainless customer, this is frustrating!
I get that most of our new customers will use AI to generate client libs. But our existing customer base depends on our Stainless generated client libs. These OpenAPI schema > client lib providers had a bit of lockin since the client libs are all slightly different.
Migration's unfortunately not as easy as just switching to Speakeasy or Openapi generator w/o breaking existing customers.
by wubwubwomp - Might I recommend trying APIMatic out: https://migrate-from-stainless.apimatic.io/by m3h
- Please reach out to transition@stainless.com, we worked on a self-service offering and the team can answer your concerns and help where possible.
Though I understand the frustration, sorry for this. If you end up looking for a competitor I would recommend fern over speakeasy, their offering is way better in my opinion (I’ve personally always seen fern as Stainless only real competition, I have lots of respect for what they’ve built)
by dgellow - Just want to take this moment to say thank you to all the customers I had the opportunity to interact with during my time at Stainless as I expect lots of them are likely to be active in this thread. It has been an honor to work with you all and none of what happened over the past 4 years would have been possible without your trust and supportby dgellow
- stainless is a great piece of software. it was a really good risk to try to make a business out of openapi generators' maintainers not having enough time to fix bugs. everybody benefits. it sounds like nothing but similar ideas - like uv - save me time every day and turn me into an evangelist.
- You guys should be proud - it was a great service!by dalbaugh
- Have you considered open sourcing the SDK generator as part of the shutdown of stainless services?
- I feel like we are seeing agentic coding tools morph into walled gardens with these acquisitions. Anthropic has restricted claude code usage while OpenAI has sort of let Codex fill the void. I am curious to see how this continues to evolve.by pplante
- I don’t really see where the “walled garden” complaint is coming from. Anthropic spends a lot of effort to keep you from churning through trillions of tokens on their flat-rate subscription plan, but that’s a billing detail, and one that I honestly don’t share the outrage about. The technology part of CC is still totally open: skills, MCP, etc. are all open informal standards and there hasn’t been any movement to lock that down.by Analemma_
- I think that's the normal path for new markets as they consolidate...by nielsbot
- True. But this sounds: "I feel like Mondays are coming after Sundays...".by geodel
- I use claude code and pi.dev side by side most days and i'm mostly choosing pi for most work in last couple of weeks.by scottcha
- Frontier AI labs is pivoting to something that can justified their IPO. just like OpenAI shut down other services and pivot more into coding. They want to show profitability before their mega IPO.by MangoCoffee
- That was always going to be the end point.
The amount of money thrown at it means at some point the words Return on Investment were going to appear.
It’s the classic loss leader applied to trillion dollar (across the market) capital investments.
by noir_lord - Claude is just a tool. My team members are each free to choose the text editor or IDE that they are happiest with. In the near future, I hope to be able to say the same for coding agents. I really like Claude, but I don't track Claude resources in our repos. If something better comes along, I'm betting it will be perfectly happy to parse the markdown of my existing memory files, and nothing in the repo itself will force anyone else to know that I switched.
It kind of blows my mind that the majority of Claude users have just accepted that CLAUDE.md is a tracked file that the whole team has to standardize on and share. Coding agents are the ultimate API. They conform to however you prefer to interact. Is anyone really expecting to enforce standard operating procedures with this non-deterministic black box of magic?
- This is the whole point and the reason for the lofty valuations. Get everyone to shift their work to be dependent on these tooling, to the point they can't imagine working in any other way, and then raise prices. Tale as old as enterprise software.by asdff
- Congrats to the team at Stainless, it's a great team to be joining over at Anthropic.
We were an ealy adopter of their Node SDK generator at Mux (and latterly their Typescript and other generators), and the product worked great, and I'm sad to see it be shut down.
At the same time, it's easy to understand why this is a complciated product/market to be in at the moment - it's very tempting and easy to vibe code SDKs from a OpenAPI spec files right now. I would think a lot of teams will just go in that direction (for better or worse), using the same toolchain that the product developers are using today for the product, for effectively no extra cost.