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  • First Microsoft has broken keyfabe by putting "Copilot is for entertainment purposes only" in the Copilot terms of use and putting warnings in copilot for excel "avoid using COPILOT for ... any task requiring accuracy or reproducibility ... Tasks with legal, regulatory or compliance implications".

    Then Apple quietly refuses to participate by not investing tens or hundreds of billions in creating a competing LLM. Sure, they resell Claude for the marks or utilize Gemini to placate the gullible fools but they know what's up.

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-copilot/for-indivi...

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-US/Excel/copilot-function

    by otter0
  • How can you practically use this in software if you're to deploy this to users? Asking a user to create and enter their own API key is a bar too high for good UX.
    by VadimPR
  • I think this is just Apple planning for their on-device models getting better, which makes sense given they have access to Gemini now. If developers use this for all their code calling an external LLM, then as Apple's model becomes more capable and covers more use cases it'll be easy to switch to it at individual call sites. That'll give apps better UX and save developers money on a bill that Apple doesn't get a cut of.
    by mcintyre1994
  • This isn't Claude specific. Developers can also write apps that call Google's server based Gemini models.

    > At WWDC, Apple announced that it's opening its Foundation Models framework to third-party cloud model providers. Starting with iOS 27, macOS 27, iPadOS 27, visionOS 27 and watchOS 27, model providers can implement the new public LanguageModel protocol to provide a common interface for model inference. We've made Gemini models available to the Foundation Models framework through the Firebase Apple SDK.

    This provides a fully native development experience — cloud-hosted Gemini models can plug directly into the Foundation Models framework using the same API. That means the on-device Apple model and cloud-hosted Gemini models sit behind a shared API surface, so you can easily swap between local and cloud inference to fit your use case.

    https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/technology/developers-...

    by GeekyBear
  • Is this Apple encouraging developers to go through their api abstraction layer to use LLMs so that when they launch their own (which I think we’ve heard they’ve been spending lots of money on training and might be somehow involved with Siri or current Apple AI?) that they can easily help devs make a seamless transition? Or is it just a developer nicety or something else?
    by daniel_iversen
  • While I'm happy with Apple introducing this abstraction. my main concern was with local models.

    I'd love using Gemma4 as an example. but thinking of a user. if 10 Apps each uses same model and downloads it, the phone will be bloated.

    I still didn't understand if Apple provided a way for multiple apps uses same on-device model (without tricky namespaces and permissions).

    I didn't see anything suggesting that's the case.

    by rock_artist
  • > a Swift package that makes Claude available as a server-side language model in Apple's Foundation Models framework

    Ahh I was hoping for the opposite: all of the existing features of Claude Code but somehow running locally on my laptop's neural engine. A pipe dream on an M2 with 8 GB of RAM, but I had a flicker of hope there.

    by post-it
  • This is Apple commoditizing LLMs while keeping control of the UX.

    They are a hardware company and will keep selling the best machine for AI use. Well done.

    by harrouet

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