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  • Under normal circumstances, I'd agree with most folks here, it'd be highly unlikely.

    However, we're (i think officially) in an arms race.

    I wouldn't want to bet against anyone in these unprecedented times (with plenty of historical parallels).

    by bushido
  • They could, but why? US and China has poured Trillion of USD into training and any semblance of getting those money back seems like some far fetched dream. Currently there is no realistic path to profitability with these models.

    What I see as usable product in the future are smaller specialized models which are able to run and be trained with fraction of resources what goes to current frontier models.

    by general1465
  • Why even bother creating a repo like this? Why not just link to a ChatGPT conversation?
    by hbcdbff
  • What is this whole thing about Europe being behind on AI? Do Mistral and DeepL not exist? Yes, I know DeepL is niche, but IMHO it is the best translation model out there.
    by acatton
  • Sure, theoretically, if it could come to an agreement, and meanwhile the cross-border cooperation of even the inter-EU countries is at an abysmal rate, and currently, even during a goddamn land war with Russia, Germany and France can't come to an agreement to build a fighter jet ensemble (together).
    by barrenko
  • Can Europe train a frontier AI model?

    It seems unlikely at the moment. The writeup you have is quite interesting, but notably distributed compute for frontier is at least a bump in the road.

    As other's have pointed out, if resources across Europe came together there could be a good amount of resources today to do so, but it is fragmented.

    Project Glasswing, and most recently the blocking of Fable 5 potentially only for non-US citizens have sparked more attention in the political spheres regarding sovereignty/competitiveness of European AI.

    There as also this great write-up which explains the trajectory Europe currently has when it comes to AI compute here: https://europe2031.ai/

    So theoretically: yes, but there doesn't seem to be a big enough will to attempt to catch up with the trajectory of American hyper-scalers.

    by ymir_e
  • The question was never do enough computers exist in Europe, but rather can Europe organize the capital and cross-company / cross-border relationships required to build a big model at scale. There the answer still looks iffy at best. This is where the US has, and continues to, thrive and where Europe can’t get out of its own way.
    by cmiles8
  • Absolutely not, even if Europe was given all of the compute in the world. The issues are much much worse. Starting at "data privacy", continuing with the "EU AI Act" and just an overall mindset of regulation and German angst. Many structures in the EU actively prevent and fight against innovation. Oftentimes more subtle but the consequences stay the same. If you ever had to use one of the "sovereign" AI provides such as StackIT, OVH and the-like, I feel with you. It is just so bad in terms of product and performance, there is no comparison at all with Hyperscalers, and it shows. Eventually, it's a cultural and structural problem along the way and the future here looks horrible.
    by beernet

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