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- I think a serious news institution would not run this title even in an Opinions section.by casey2
- In today's world where nuance is a disappearing diaphanous concept, the USA didn't win, so they lost.by whynotmaybe
- I mean, it’d be very hard to spin it as a win.by rsynnott
- > ### Trump’s Iran Truce Has the Hallmarks of Defeat ### (Bloomberg - https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2026-06-15/iran-u...)
Does this answer your note? (That's Bloomberg above - "phrase it as you want...")
by mdp2021 - Everyone says the same because they are speaking the simple truth.
Trump Celebrates While America Capitulates The peace deal with Tehran is an Iranian victory.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/06/trump-iran-deal/68...
by ulfw - "America has lost" seems to be a matter of plain fact rather than opinion. What singular goal of this Iran invasion was achieved? It seems the US has gained literally nothing in this war, meanwhile causing trillions in global economic damage.
It vaguely sounds as though there is some sort of nuclear deal in the works ... but the US already had a nuclear deal with Iran, that Trump tore up. So I guess you could squint and say that the US won something back that was previously foolishly discarded.
by wavemode - Why? The only question left is what humiliation awaits the USA in return for its blood, treasure and reputation?by enoint
- A bad peace will be better than this war. I know people want to stick this into some kind of winners vs losers discussion but I for one would be happy if it reliably ended.
It's very difficult for me to think of such a terrible peace agreement that I'd personally reject it.
by dragontamer - > A bad peace will be better than this war
We're no longer in a position to unilaterally disengage. If the IRGC decides its political establishment is wrong and starts potting random shit again, we'll be dragged back in.
- It's just sad how much wealth and how many lives have been spent for absolutely nothing.
- It ain't over until Bibi says it's over. Trump is pissing his pants trying to get out of this anyway he can but Bibi won't let him. I'm sure our military was against this from day one, but the Fox news host and the Real Estate developer thought they knew better but, in the end Bibi and Israel call the shots and America obeys....
Just saying...Junk away...
by sleepyguy - > until Bibi says it's over
There is enough frustration between Bibi and Trump that I could see Israel unilaterally trying to blow up this deal massively backfiring. (To the point that it might be in e.g. Hezbollah's strategic interest to goad them into it.)
- Meanwhile Murica distracts itself with idiotic 'wealth creation' ponzis like SPCX IPOs built on absolutely nothing of value and games for the simple people in front of the White House lawnby ulfw
- Let’s say this is the case it still does not explain what the real end game looks like. What do you think?by tru3_power
- As bad as the whole Iran situation has been, I'm glad that there are still rational actors pushing back within the military. If Trump had his way completely, I wouldn't put off the chance of an offensive nuke being used.by fyredge
- Well, until the dementia patient and the religious crackpot fire them and replace them with toadies.
- Even if the peace holds the whole thing feels like a definite L for the following reasons:
Materiel - a huge amount of expensive and long lead time to replace missiles/interceptors expended - a $300,000,000 radar station destroyed - like 30 Reaper drones (approximately 1/5 of the total) - 1 AWACs destroyed and 3-5 others heavily damaged (we only have about 20 of them - tons of damage to infrastructure in the area (like refineries, ports, chemical plants)
Geopolitical - primacy of American military power shown to be truly questionable (I consider this as the biggest part of the L; can't decide if it's an unforced error or it was bound to happen under any administration) - Iran now knows it can leverage its drones and missiles to influence the region and world; they don't even need a nuke anymore to project power
I guess if there is a silver lining it's that the conflict has exposed how unprepared some of our doctrines and orders of battle are when dealing against an adversary that needs to operate on a more asymmetric level. But also it feels like that should be already known after years of monitoring the Ukrainian conflict.
by golden-face - .... and people died, lots of people diedby Taniwha
- If anything I think that demonstrating how worthless all this “war materiel” is, well it s a good thing. Can we please cut “defense” spending in half and just let me keep more of my own money or better yet stop going into so much debt?
- … and let's not forget about Iran's Lego videos!by Simran-B
- > conflict has exposed how unprepared some of our doctrines and orders of battle are when dealing against an adversary that needs to operate on a more asymmetric level
That is known for almost 25 years since Millennium Challenge. However US military decided that to cove their ears, close their eyes and start screaming
by general1465 - > Iran now knows it can leverage its drones and missiles to influence the region and world; they don't even need a nuke anymore to project power
Tehran probably needs nukes to project power. As in reärm its proxies and have them go off and start being a nuisance again without real fear of facing any consequences for it.
What Iran has learned–and globally demonstrated–is America is willing to pay more to its enemies than it's willing to spend defending its allies. (We're discussing arranging financing for Iran in an amount equal to what it costs us to support NATO for a decade.)
[1] https://www.ft.com/content/088c14d3-f708-44d8-a306-7996aa521...