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- I have good friends in the AI industry who are the living embodiment of that Upton Sinclair quote.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."
You've never heard such strong one-sided cope until you've talked to an NVDA employee about AI. I'm not even against AI. It's just that a combination of intense financial incentives around a product that provides a good simulation of the Chinese Room has really fucked peoples brains up.
by parl_match - "Nicholas Carlini recently rang the alarm about the dangers of AI—and now he’s part of a team arguing for the latest models to be released"
Many such cases, he was just hungry.
by moralestapia - Isn’t that how Anthropic started? Raise alarm bells and ride the hype train.by wil421
- These are the consequences of fear mongering as hard as they did. You reap what you sow.
Now they need to convince the government that they didn't mean anything of the previous things they claimed.
by Simon321 - Nah, that's ridiculous. This admin is corrupt and idiotic and it's silly to pretend that Anthropic's actions matter except in so much as they didn't bribe the president like OpenAI did.
- OpenAI is also guilty of excessive fear mongering (remember GPT 2 is too dangerous to release?)
This isn't 100% Anthropic's fault, although I'm sure that's part of it. This is the current corrupt administration executing on a grudge they have against Anthropic, and the government's new found love of picking winners and losers.
by thewebguyd - Carlini rocks, but they should have definitely NOT sent him. He will them too much, and they'll find even more excuses to block us. This needs an experienced negotiator, ie. a managerby rurban
- All the government has to do is simply pull up the blog posts of Anthropic's own CEO.
- This export ban follows Anthropic refusing to provide uninhibited use of AI to the US military, and the Pentagon subsequently listing them as a supply chain threat. That in turn led to Anthropic suing the government. This most recent development is obviously just a vindictive administration doing what it can to blackball Anthropic for not kowtowing to unrestricted military use like all of the other AI giants.by robgibbons
- They need to send lobbyists not hackers.by tiahura
- They should have taken money from Thrive Capital.by trhway
- They needed to have administration insiders on their team months if not years ago, not just now
OpenAI, Meta, SpaceX are savvy enough to play ball, but Anthropic's public posturing and government affairs has always seemed too aloof and intellectual
by yeeetz - They are absolutely clueless about how to talk to this administration.by winstonp
- "Carlini had never before found a bug in Linux, or in Ghost. Now he had discovered many."
New guy learns nessus, now tells everyone at the bar he's basically Mr. Robot.
A pox on the labs and the government. InfosecDrama.exe just took out a frontier model because a noob learned how to use a tool.
- >Nicholas Carlini recently rang the alarm about the dangers of AI—and now he’s part of a team arguing for the latest models to be released
Classic Anthropic.
by catigula - Being on the other side of the AI machine changes the perspective of whether it is dangerous or not, I guess.by boramdd
- the coming IPOs will possibly create several billionaires. Standing on the top of a billion dollar pile would definitely change your perspective.by trhway
- Everyone has a price.by speedgoose
- >Some administration officials have said that a resolution should include an acknowledgment on Anthropic’s part that its rollout of Fable and communication with the White House could have been improved, people familiar with the talks said.
>followed initial frustration Friday among some administration officials when they couldn’t immediately get Amodei on the phone, the people said.
That he didn't drop everything to talk to them seems like the major crux? But Dario doesn't even do the day-to-day operations Daniela does. Feel like Anthropic should just hire Dean Ball to be their liason or something
by sigmar - It's because the "crisis" is a sham for publicity, like Trump's constant bullshit deals and ceasefires that aren't real, they're just happening to find more problems to keep them in the news.
- I feel Dario did enough harm. I wonder if he can do the right thing and step down. It’s really just tiresome to follow all his PR/Hype/warnings and this fiasco makes everything he says seem so silly. At the same time he’s dangerous for the industry. In the end he may get more regulation than he asked for. If the gov decides the Opus models are too powerful without KYC they are toast. And to be honest I think they deserve it.by theplumber
- And Anthropic say they were on the phone within 15 minutes… This administration is not known for its honesty so it’s hard to take their side of thingsby bonsai_spool
- I'm tired of this story and the corresponding fake discussions because it's completely obvious that Anthropic was singled out because they didn't play along with the current US administration and this whole charade is just part of an extortion scheme.
- Are people here deluded?
Business 101 - never take on an entity who has ultimate power over you and can conduct a course of action to put your existence at threat
by eiejeqq - Had to disagree with that. However, I don't think you can discount how much Anthropic has been banging the drum about how AI is dangerous (specifically theirs) and an existential threat, etc. etc.
The rollout of Mythos was clearly manufactured to stoke the fears of companies that didn’t have access to it. They also bragged (for Fable) about how they "ran an external bug bounty that produced no universal jailbreaks in over 1,000 hours of testing" only for it be circumvented almost immediately.
So them standing on the high horse and saying it is _so powerful, yet so safe_ only to have that blow up in their face just made it that much easier to make an excuse to do this. Again, not disagreeing, but they made themselves the tall poppy here.
by james2doyle - I feel like I woke up from a coma and all the sudden people are taking the administration at their word. I'm so confused.
- The AI labs look rather naive here.
You can’t jump up and down screaming how amazing, powerful, and dangerous your new tech is and then act surprised and annoyed when the government shows up looking to regulate it.
Their new argument now seems be that this was marketing hype/fluff that backfired, in a pretty obvious and predicable way, and now they’re trying to reset the conversation.
by cmiles8 - Also a good wake-up call for investors as these big players can be benched at any moment.by Bender
- Well it is reasonable to expect the bare minimum of due process, or you should be able to from a government that claims to be so committed to the rule of law.by jubilanti
- Dog caught the carby dofm