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  • Direct competition to american companies like OpenAi, Anthropic proving china can also launch great models
    by bhanu786
  • Once we get Mythos level opensource then that would be in a league of its own.
    by RIshabh235
  • I find the way that models understand images to be seriously lacking. The root cause of the issue as I see it is that image encoding isn't contextual. The encoder should be aware of the prompt so that it can encode the right things. It seems like this should be something that could be trained into a model.
    by foota
  • The main thing here is, there are doing it really cheap!
    by mid90sahsan
  • I heavily using Deepseek V4 Pro for a personal project because I cannot afford Opus, and spent ~1B token last two weeks for just $40 which would've costed ~$1300 using Opus 4.8. Realistically Opus cost will be lower assuming more "intelligent" model would've produced less code with fewer conversation but I doubt it'll be cheaper than ~$500.

    I'm curious to know how they can they offer at such a cheap price. Some say it's electricity surplus in China and/or government subsidy. It'll be a very interesting read if there's an extensive study on their economics.

       1.1B (cache reads) * $0.5 = ~576
   39M (ache miss) * $5 = ~199
   21M (output) * $25 = ~529
   Opus 4.8 = 1304

   1.1B (cache reads) * $0.003625 = ~4.17
   39M (ache miss) * $0.435 = ~17.3
   21M (output) * $0.87 = ~18.4
   Deepseek V4 Pro = ~40
    by jameson
  • And it's really good and fast. Have tested with bunch of odd photos on what is happening. Overall the training set seems large enough to know what's what and where
    by earth2mars
  • yes and I hope their rate of shipping increases after recent funding.
    by RIshabh235
  • A bit of topic. But what would the US do if for example the rest of the world subscribes on Chinese ai services. I think the US would show some really nasty behavior.
    by holoduke
  • We already have done so multiple times :-( We are living on borrowed credit/reputation from the past, but it's fast eroding.
    by segmondy
  • Nice, is this available in the API now as well?
    by innis226
  • Not in the api yet.
    by RIshabh235
  • I am also waiting on the vision support in API. Its the only thing blocking me from buying their subscription.
    by naseemali925
  • I really need this as an API.

    Turns out, to use Claude Agents SDK, you need to have a vision enabled API. If Deepseek API could see, it can fully drive Claude Code and Claude Agents SDK. A project I'm working on relies on a Claude-in-CloudflareWorker setup and I've been relying on Qwen and gemini flash lite, both more expensive than Deepseek.

    Can't wait to have it available on deepseek.

    by tornikeo
  • same here. I am using Gemini 2.5 Flash as VSCode "vision proivder" for Deepseek V4 Pro, but it is expensive and not accurate. can't wait for native Deepseek vision.
    by 5701652400
  • Xiaomi Mimo v2.5 is my favorite alternative. Matches DS v4 Flash (official) pricing exactly and supports image/audio/video input.
    by crazylogger
  • Have you looked at MiniMax or MiMo? Available today via OpenRouter, and it’ll make the path to porting to DeepSeek a line change https://openrouter.ai/collections/vision-models
    by petesergeant
  • Could go nicely with https://auge.franzai.com/ ( CLI on Apple Vision frameworks ) - do the first pass locally. If needed call their API for a more detailed analysis and then _finally_ we produce meaningful alt texts for images in HTML at a reasonable price ;)
    by harryf
  • What has been going on with deepseek recently? I have gotten lots of replies in Chinese and even more frequently, reasoning in Chinese as well.

    Is it a new silent update?

    by bjoli
  • It doesn’t seem that recent to me, at least been like that for six months.
    by abyssin
  • Yeah the reasoning is formatted differently and the replies are often in Chinese.
    by fdsjgfklsfd
  • This happens to me a lot when I ask a qwen3.6 model to respond to a question in JSON. No clue why.
    by serf
  • Are you running out of context? I’ve found that tooling and giberish most of the time happens when I’m butting up against the high watermark of my context window. One other thing it could be, I’ve read that lower quanta like Q1 and Q2 for smaller models can leak Chinese
    by alfiedotwtf
  • It never happened to me with Deepseek, but it happened multiple times with Kimi 2.6.

    It also happened a handful of times with Anthropic models.

    by epolanski
  • Well, it is a Chinese model, maybe it thinks better in Chinese?
    by Shank
  • I use DeepSeek daily, never happened to me.

    I use the API however, not the chat interface.

    by surgical_fire
  • Happened to me with Claude, doesn't need to be a China thing.
    by throwa356262
  • Points to https://chat.deepseek.com/sign_in for me, that's just a login screen. Anything page with some info?
    by rcMgD2BwE72F
  • Not in official news yet, but works for me https://files.catbox.moe/hnnnlx.png
    by RIshabh235
  • The product I want most is the ability to return to the late January 2026 version of Anthropic models.
    by exabrial
  • This is why we need open weights for everything.

    Nobody will cry when their AI girlfriend model gets revoked. You'll always have the weights.

    Presumably for the low cost of spinning up an H200 or two you can use the weights forever.

    No more claiming your LLM gets nerfed. No more claiming your video model can't do Spider-Man anymore.

    by echelon