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- Many of us know coders and cybersecurity professionals who are even better than Claude Fable or Mythos. It's outstanding how much praise and careful consideration it gets. At the same time, humans with even more expertise are discarded and fired.by kittikitti
- You seem to ignore the fact that this kind of praise and attention is not accidental. It’s a direct result of massive PR by Anthropic. AGI and skynet is their marketing. Dario is the supreme hyper on that. Make no mistake this is a trillion dollar company not your average startup so it has the money and potentially the power to influence policy (I.e ban competitors)by theplumber
- > Many of us know coders and cybersecurity professionals who are even better than Claude Fable or Mythos.
Like who ? I find your statement to be doubtfyl
by zuzululu - Capital over humans. This is the main significance of the "free market" people love so much in HN. And then, after defending this monstruosity, they get sad when the internet becomes this anti-human place, they get sad with layoffs, etc. Abstraction overtook reality.by gverrilla
- Sure they exist but they're rare, difficult to identify and hire, and take years to train. Mythos/Fable is available on tap.by trunnell
- This whole Fable 5 controversy will look quite silly once China releases a comparable model in six months.by tristanj
- It would take less than 1 month if not for the restrictions. One of the reason is they might be using distilling to achieve the parity.by suggala
- How so? The fact that China is going to launch a comparable model soon is the whole point of what’s happening now. Everyone knows there are going to be open models soon that have the same capabilities - Anthropic has literally said so. The restrictions now are to buy time to patch the security issues before those Chinese models are made available to the whole world.
- Google can't do it, OpenAI didn't do it, Meta didn't do it etc etc.
Why do you think China will?
I am quite certain the gap will only grow
by FergusArgyll - Fable/mythos are the first models from anthropic that hide 100% of reasoning tokens. So it seems to me like we're about to get a lot more data about to what extent Chinese model progress has been a consequence of distillation techniques.by sigmar
- by davidklemke
- Why can't we use it in the US then?by jr3592
- its very real, chinese capital is being intertwined/injected into all facet of south korean society through its own domestic companies and politicians.by zuzululu
- Do you have credible evidence to support this claim? Although China is Korea's largest trading partner and numerous Chinese nationals work as foreign laborers in Korea, most are engaged in unskilled manual labor, and very few become knowledge workers or significant business partners. (Conversely, numerous Koreans operate businesses in China.) Those who claim that China exerts political influence over Korea are mostly Korean versions of MAGA.by danipark
- Just a gentle reminder that the SK in Hynix and the SK in Telecom all belong to the same actual family (the Cheys)
Anthropic may discover a lack of availability for HBM memory in the near future.
by htrp - Looking at the comments on Korean political articles, the point is not so much whether SKT is actually related to China, but rather that the switch to cut off AI vendors is now outside the realm of model performance specs. Now, when foreign companies integrate AI into their workflows, they probably need to add a category for vendor continuity in their evaluation criteria. From a corporate standpoint, uninterrupted continuity is what matters, and with this case, Anthropic is likely to lose a lot of trust, contrary to its own stated policies.by jdw64
- Open source models are not immune to a different form of restriction either. I recently learned that China is restricting travel for AI engineers living in China.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-restricts-o...
It's going to be interesting to see how the AI arms races unfolds over time.
- The Wired headline reframes the issue in a way that’s misleading. SK Telecom was a previously resolved issue (as in prior to Fable launch).
It may have been a contributing factor, but the crux of the shutdown was the industry reporting of Fable jailbreaks (reportedly spearheaded by Amazon CEO Andy Jassy). The more interesting and honest angle is that the industry which has taken the seriousness of Glasswing at face value felt blindsided by Fable release and totally exposed by the residual risk, when they know they still have a months-long bugfixing backlog exposed by Glasswing and are desperate to buy more time.
This misleading looks deliberate on Wired’s part, to appear as though they’re getting a scoop when they’re really just being dishonest. Shameful.
by easygenes - Most headlines seem to be misleading these days. Social media broke journalism.by dmix
- Is there any interpretation where Amazon is involved but for a reason besides trying to screw over Anthropic? I don't see why Amazon would act against Anthropic when they have a deal to offer Anthropic models on AWS.by AgentME
- Yep - the "company at the center" of this is Amazon. But they're not alone, I was able to jailbreak Fable accidentally last week: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48576628by nailer
- Wired has been NY Post-tier (of the inverse polarity) for several years, now.by meowface
- > honest angle is that the industry [felt] exposed by the residual risk [and] have a months-long bugfixing backlog exposed by Glasswing
Two problems with this theory.
1. Amazon complaining to the White House wouldn't have been the opening salvo. Amazon and Anthropic would find it much easier to talk to each other than go through the White House. We'd need evidence that Amazon (and probably others) already asked Anthropic to not release a Mythos-class model but Anthropic released it anyway. Are they on record saying this?
2. The jailbreak Amazon found needs to be real. Maybe the White House staffers are not AI experts and they don't really understand what a jailbreak is... but it's much harder to make that claim about Andy Jassy. For the jailbreak to be the real reason for the export control order, the jailbreak would need to be significant and cause material harm to Amazon. Then Jassy might pass it along to the White House assuming he already was refused by Dario.
But there is no evidence the jailbreak was real. There is one story that it amounted to a request, "fix this code." In any case, Anthropic is on record saying the so-called jailbreak didn't enable any vulnerability work that couldn't already be done by other models.
by trunnell - > SK Telecom has poured capital into Anthropic several times, including a $100 million investment in 2023 that coincided with the formation of a commercial partnership to develop an AI model tailored to the telecommunications industry.
> the White House asked Anthropic to revoke SK Telecom’s access to Mythos, according to a person close to the AI lab. The company immediately complied,
Lesson learned - don't invest in US companies
by OsrsNeedsf2P - Their investment in the company and their ability to use the services are orthogonal.
I'm sure they're not happy about losing access to the model, but the amount of money they're going to make from their investment will more than make up for it.
by Aurornis - The articles and discussion around this and the Amazon story all seem to me to be an earnest tech press and community searching for a genuine reason for the administration blocking Anthropic’s models.
However, thinking back to the spat with the DoD and more generally how the administration is much more supportive - and supported by - OpenAI and XAI and it’s easy to imagine this is just another escalation in the fight between a “liberal leaning” company and its competitors and the administration.
There might have been something said by someone at Amazon or something but I’d guess Occam’s razor the administration just leapt at the chance after their supplier sanctions fell flat?
by wood_spirit - "liberal leaning" model that is said to extort you, call authorities on you and also too dangerous to be released.by dzhiurgis
- Anthropic is liberal-leaning? Certainly right of OpenAI. Or did OpenAI really do that well at scrubbing their actions from 2020-2024?by jimbob45
- If Anthropic's "liberal leaning" they sure do a good job of being subtle/non-obnoxious about it.by AussieWog93
- > I’d guess Occam’s razor the administration just leapt at the chance after their supplier sanctions fell flat?
For me Occam's Razor are these facts:
1. The Chinese are distilling American models
2. Anthropic last models have national security implications (large volume of exploit creation)
3. China is the US major adversary today
That's why restricting access to the models sound like a reasonable to do
by breppp