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- How does it compare against Finereader? Comparisons against transformer-based OCRs don't really tell anything. The last time I checked, neither of them were of "OCR this legal document" quality.
- Whatever happened to Reducto, was very promising 12-15 months agoby manipalite
- I'm going to sound like I live under a rock, but what is the true reason companies open-source genuinely good software?
Shouldn't Baidu (or Google) hoard it for themselves to extract the value in a way the competition isn't be able to imitate?
by arboles - Releasing open source models can drive revenue away from them US AI LABS. This can help china win by depriving those labs of revenue for further investment in winning the long term race.by jerrygenser
- Some people working in big companies believe in the ideals of open source and convince their employers to allow open sourcing a project.
Employers get prestige (useful for the hiring funnel) and sometimes strategically disrupt competitors (e.g. Meta releasing Ollama)
by SirYandi - my attempts at using AI to do OCR have always resulted in invented artifacts, which is not production feasible. does this suffer from that as well?
A simple example is words that are supposed to be in other languages being automatically translated to English, which ruins the effect
by pmarreck - I'm curious about this. What models/tools have you been using?by aliljet
- I've been trying out this model on a 4090 to transcribe a Japanese grammar pdf (written in English with lots of Japanese examples) and it seems to be working very well from the small parts I have double checked. The output contains both the kanji/hiragana and English as appropriate without attempting any translation.
It has converted about 200 pages in an hour.
by peterderivaz - If I would want to achieve 100% recognition results I would combine this method with an image model recreating the original document from the transcribed text and matching the layout. One can do that with using all but the page or paragraph from the document you want to recreate (to avoid recreating the exact passage under test from the image artifact directly). After reconstructing you can do an optical comparison that specifically matches misaligned characters and find the errors. Rinse and repeat. Expensive but it would guarantee 100% recognition.by drakmo
- You almost don't want [super-]word level ML (ie word-pair/phrase/sentence/document/corpus level).
In transcription, you want near certainty, or you want marking that the word could not be read with certainty - yes, context lets you guess, but you want - for some OCR - to know when it's a guess based on other than the letters in order forming a word.
Example, in a census document on familysearch.com the transcriber "corrected" a name as Joseph. The literal letters in the handwritten document spell Josepth ... and sure enough that's a local variant spelling (Eire).
In another document the writer has used "Joh" as an abbreviation, a [human, I assume] transcriber put that as John ... which is most likely, but happens to be wrong.
Sometimes you care that it's guessed, sometimes you want just the best guess.
by pbhjpbhj - I'm always glad to see more multi-page work in VLM-based OCR. Especially single-pass. One of the few other multi-page papers from recently, MinerU-Popo, treats fixing up multi-page outputs as a post-processing correction step (https://arxiv.org/abs/2605.24973). Interesting to see the drop-off in quality as you up page count, though.
I also think the attention approach (always attend to the image/prefix, with a sliding window for local context) is neat!
I do wish they updated their comparison table to include more recent work (that scores marginally better on OmniDocBench), like dots.mocr.
by jbarrow - What are your thoughts on the detector --> VLM pipelines, and if there's ever a world where a small LM or LM augmented detector can be efficient enough to play a role as router. I ask because I recognize you from your handle and am very familiar with your work in the doc+detector space.by vrc
- How does this compare with infinty parser 2 which seemed to be running the table on every other OCR tool (https://huggingface.co/datasets/allenai/olmOCR-bench). To be fair, there's no single winning OCR benchmark and this isn't showing up anywhere yet..by aliljet
- This looks more promising than what Mistral just launched (coincidence?????? i think not.)
This approach feels like it could be used for image gen as well (in some combination). Read/view image, start drawing image using illustrator/inkscape/etc (or just SVG), then fill in with what was missed after
by lacoolj - Paper under https://arxiv.org/abs/2606.23050
(As a side note, I do OCR locally as a small RAG for citations I read in books and also chunk input, but merely to save RAM - interesting this natural approach also work in a streaming model)
by janpeuker - FYI, "Unlimited OCR Works" is a Fate/stay night reference. The original "Unlimited Blade Works" is a magic whose entire premise is copying weapons other people forgedby novoreorx
- Thanks. Full context : https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Unlimited_Blade_Works
- "We would like to thank Deepseek-OCR, Deepseek-OCR-2, PaddleOCR for their valuable models and ideas."
Class Act.
by KitN - I don’t understand the shade being thrown ?by gcr
- I recently bought a tablet for sheet music, mostly to replace a stack of jazz "Real Books" at jam sessions. And the phone camera scans I made are okay, but fixed in size and have a lot of artifacts. And it would be great to transpose on the fly for e.g. Bb or Eb instruments, but being a scan this is obviously not possible.
I got digging into the state of optical music recognition and came away concluding that music is basically a greenfield for AI wherever you look. Optical music recognition is pretty terrible. AI understanding of music theory is terrible (actually looking at music that is; LLMs do okay at text descriptions of theory concepts where you can imagine some online texts making it in).
I think the issue is that we still don't have great digital formats that encode the dots on paper that musicians read. Music notation is pretty rich. Midi doesn't capture all of what's needed for symbolic understanding, because it was mostly made for capturing aspects relevant for playback or performance. MusicXML seems to be the closest for a digital format that encodes the information a musician would want, but there aren't great corpora of training data that would connect a MusicXML representation to sheet music images or to audio. I think that's because MusicXML falls short of encoding enough information to engrave music. Tools like MuseScore need to track a bunch of layout information that isn't encodable in MusicXML. Lilypond format is less verbose that MusicXML and contains a bit more information that is useful to the score creators, but most people don't create sheet music in lilypond. (As an aside, Lilypond bums me out with the state of jazz fonts. I hate looking at "legit" scores in jazz context)
I realize this is mildly off topic, but every time I see people making incremental gains on OCR, which to my mind is pretty good, I am reminded of how abysmal OMR is.
by peatmoss - As someone who has never looked at a jazz score, can you share an example of how jazz sheet music would benefit from different fonts?by aidenn0
- “there aren't great corpora of training data that would connect a MusicXML representation to sheet music images or to audio”
It may not be necessary…a lot of the training pairs/data for this could probably be procedurally created via code.
Would be pretty fun to work on and see it come to life.
by WhitneyLand - Create a benchmark for this problem that researchers can easily run and the problem will solve itself.by genxy
- I observe that music OCR space and the only really good solution so far is soundslice. You scan and review some edge cases and get really good results. Paid service by a small company, very worthy to be supported!by mcbetz
- For just chord analysis, there's "Harte notation", which is meant to be unambiguous representation of the notes (https://ismir2005.ismir.net/proceedings/1080.pdf). That obviously doesn't get you all of the additional information necessary for engraving and full representation of the music, but there are research datasets available using it like https://github.com/smashub/choco. I've also used the https://github.com/MarkGotham/When-in-Rome dataset for some analysis work, but again that's not 100% what you're looking for.
You might like the "iReal Pro" app for the replacement and transposition of jazz standards on your tablet. It's pretty great for that use case versus camera scans.
by elasticdog - What about sheet music typesetting formats like https://abcnotation.com/ ?by singpolyma3
- > music is basically a greenfield for AI wherever you look
AIN'T THAT THE TRUTH.
My girlfriend is studying musicology and she has some physical disabilities that make it difficult for her to write things down sometimes. So I try to help her by writing some AI-powered TTS/OCR/etc. apps here and there. It becomes painfully obvious that music was never considered an important part of any AI training dataset, anywhere.
These days, I'm pleasantly surprised by how well Opus 4.8 understands/explains music theory (as you said). But ask him to transcribe/OCR/OMR some sheet music and he'll confidently give you the MusicXML/Lilypond equivalent of "2 + 2 = horse".
I really hope this ignored area will be swept up with the rest of the rising AI wave, but it's still criminally undervalued.
by indiv0 - So, the format for musicologist and researcher in music is the MEI format: https://music-encoding.org/ for which the reference engraver is verovio: https://www.verovio.org/index.xhtml Note that verovio is able to engrave in svg format while keeping a maximum of information from the original mei score, meaning that you can extract enough metadata to create an actual detection dataset for a deep learning model. This is my horrible hacked up script that will create a coco dataset from a set of scores engraved with verovio: https://github.com/kwon-young/music/blob/main/svg2pl.py I have published a synthetic music score dataset from this: https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/kwonyoungchoi/trompa-coco/da... I anyone wants to try and fit a detector on top is welcome :)
To understand why OMR is so neglected is because most people widely underestimate the difficulty of the task. It has a specific blend of the most extreme shapes combined with an extremely complicated graphical grammar...
by kwon-young - Very interesting.
The way I understand this works is that the researchers found a clever architectural hack to stop AI from hoarding memory when reading long documents.
Normally, when an AI transcribes a 100 page PDF, it tries to remember every single word it has already ingested. This short-term memory (the KV cache) grows linearly O(N) until the model runs out of VRAM and crashes (or caps it) To avoid this, developers are forced to build janky code that chops PDFs into individual pages, processes them one by one, and glues the text back together.
Unlimited OCR uses Reference Sliding Window Attention (R-SWA) to split the AI's focus into two paths:
Global Reference: The AI keeps full, uncompromised sight of the original document image so it never loses context.
Local Generation: The AI restricts its memory of its own typed text to a tight, moving window (like the last 128 words) and safely forgets the rest.
Will be very interesting for local AI and can’t wait to see what the community builds and extends with it!
- See, leetcode is useful. As I do this leetcode grind, I’ve been why techniques exist / how they’re used irl. Lots of interesting stuff thereby d675