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- they are doing DOGE-cuts to all of intelligence now anyway
dozens upon dozens fired for no reason
so US "intelligence" is going to go even further backwards
* https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/trump-acting-ch...
November is going to be insanity
by ck2 - I don't want a single person to be working at NSA and I find ANY terms to effectuate that outcome to be acceptable. Very much so including DOGE, which I despise.by Computer0
- > dozens upon dozens fired for no reason
When you say without reason do you mean without cause?
by parineum - Anecdata suggests NSA just got on board and kept going tbh. Not sure they’ve felt the same impacts / churn as other agencies, and not sure they’ve ever really been that beholden to the DNI.by sailfast
- Here is one sector of the US government I'm happy to see burned down. If the alternative is the status quo, I'm OK with any roll of the dice.by kansface
- The NSA is managed by the NSA director, an independently appointed and confirmed office separate from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. The DNI does have the authority to restrict funds to the NSA, and sets certain priorities, policy, etc. but the NSA director is not beholden to the DNI and makes their hiring and firing decisions independently. They’re also, currently and historically though not required by statute, a flag officer in the US military and dual-hatted as the commander of CYBERCOM. All this is to say, chaos in the office of the DNI does not necessarily impact the NSA.by derektank
- honest question: does the nsa have the abilty to take the model weights from anthropic? also, as I understand it anthropic employees from the USA have mythos access, and I dont see why this shouldnt extend to the nsa. this seems pretty silly and kinda unbelievable. commenting again to add more infomaiton to my opinion and ask that you don't just blindly downvote bc I don't believe the nsa doesn't have mythos
- They could easily take the weights if they wanted. I don't believe they meaningfully lost access.by AustinDev
- If they use the defence production act, would Dario be even able to resign in protest?by Onavo
- the success of mythos isn't from model weights, it's from the harness and toolset it has access to
- Who will make them the next set of weights?
If a government can just seize the product of someone else's labour, either they will end up as slave owners or without willing workers.
- > NSA lost access to Mythos
That's is funniest thing I read since long time :)) I mean: it's so absurd, almost like things we had in real socialism in 80s :> But, yeah, freedom have consequences.
by Woodi - If Mythos is still running internally, the NSA still have some access to it. It's just crazy to believe there aren't CIA and/or NSA plants (tacitly acknowledged or otherwise) inside Anthropic and OpenAI.
But Mythos is still only an advanced LLM so I am not sure what all this breathy fuss is about; it sounds like the PR war more than anything.
If the NSA aren't themselves training technologies that are at least as powerful, that would modestly surprise me.
Not that you need an LLM to monitor the risks to the USA. You just need Tulsi Gabbard's emails.
by dofm - I think it’s beyond a mastery of PR. They literally called it Mythos and built a literal myth around it. I mean… maybe people just want the soap opera.
- AI marketing bullshit stunts are unlike anything I've seen in 30 years. It started with MS Copilot so called capabilities for work, which were completely made up use cases that didn't work at all (3 years later still). We've had OpenAI "AGI is coming" and "AI will take your job", now we have Mythos being so "dangerous" for cybersecurity, which of course makes the average Joe interpret it as Anthropic being "the better overall company, the NSA uses it!!". I mean gov foes with Anthropic are probably true, but the marketing is to blame not Mythos capabilities. This is all so fucking patheticby medlazik
- All for a product that has yet to make a single honest dollar in profit for anyone who isn't nvidia.
When this goes we might well see a recession. Not that anyone responsible will be worse off, of course.
by ToucanLoucan - We should seriously reframe this whole AI thing to "SI = simulated intelligence".
It's google in a box. Great achievement, makes knowledge work faster, but please stop bothering everyone else.
The Uber and Groupon people became billionaires, so the "Simulated Intelligence" folks will also achieve it. No need to worry and drown everyone in these bs stories only non-tech people believe.
by bflesch - The US has gone all in on AI because it is one of the few things in which they still have an advantage over Asian countries. I wouldn't use the word pathetic but rather "desperation".by expedition32
- But the propaganda deluge was a smash hit so far, HN is drowning in “AI” BS, and astroturfers and spin doctors haven’t seen that much business since the cold war. They made more profit than shovel salesmen in the gold rush.by tempodox
- I was able to identify, diagnose, fix, and upstream a minor bug in and erlang/OTP ssh key implementation with Opus in maybe 20 minutes (+2 weeks or so for upstream). It is not impossible that I could have done this before, but it would have taken days or weeks. The actual fix was about 2 lines of code, hardly AI slop, but getting there would have been quite the slog, and I never would have done it.
There is a lot of the reason for AI skepticism out there, but people tend to do massive overcorrections and underestimate the force multiplier it can be, particularly for people with some idea of what they're doing and a good grasp of how to take advantage of the tool.
- I haven’t heard anything about AGI in a long while. Oh yeah, and per conversations last Jan we were all supposed to be out of our jobs by now.by chasd00
- > and "AI will take your job"
Don't forget, its no longer cool to say that now that the public has pushed back. The fact they all changed their tone away from taking jobs tells you that it was all just entirely marketing.
by thewebguyd - > That contract has not been finalized, and some Pentagon officials want the N.S.A. to find a way to work with other models.
Good, fsck NSA, that's the last organization I'd ever want to have access to Mythos. I hope this administration's incompetence will prevent them from regaining access for as long as possible
by zb3 - It’ll be the first organization to get access to Epic/Saga/Legend/Bible/Torah/Sutra/Vedan/whatever the Mythos+1 is called - and it might be the only one with this privilegeby baq
- Is there a historical precedent as to what happened when the upstart denied capability to the empire?
The closest I can think of is the bronze age collapse.
by gaiagraphia - > The closest I can think of is the bronze age collapse.
No idea about your question, but I'd love to hear more about this part.
by CoastalCoder - There is no consensus on what caused the bronze age collapse.by sawjet
- 'Mythos “broke into almost all of our classified systems, not in weeks, but in hours.”'
Is Mythos a significant danger?
The curl experience does not suggest that hysteria is warranted, but this gives me pause.
by chasil - Why are these things online at all? Is that a requirement for them to be useful?by JKCalhoun
- >> The curl experience does not suggest that hysteria is warranted, but this gives me pause.
What about the Firefox experience?
Or are we conveniently ignoring things that don't confirm conclusions we've already reached?