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- I have basically unlimited access to every SOTA model and I opt for gemini flash 3.5 9/10 times I use an LLM.
Llms are mostly useless but when I do use them its with gemini. If they're going to waste my time 95% of the time, I might as well get it over with fast.
- No UI like their competitors Claude CoWork or Codex. This is vaporwareby beastman82
- stopped using gemini a couple months ago when they ruined their rate limits. Not sure why people still use em. They were good with the generous rate limits in antigravity. but done after that.by s_kazmi
- I wonder if it will be better at building TUI's. It has been absolutely abysmal at interacting with them and building themby fridder
- That's my experience too. I've had increased luck encouraging the LLM to structure the code in "functional core, imperative shell" style, and telling it stupid things like "make sure you can test the code you're writing".
- Claude can build UI but it sucks at testing it and iterating on it. Fable showed some improvements in this regard but alas.by chatmasta
- Pretty doubtful about computer use/screenshotting based approaches.
With Retriever AI, we construct custom accessibility trees to represent web pages and just switched over to using DeepSeek v4 Flash and its nearing 100x cost decrease.
We also had great success just reverse engineering the underlying APIs of websites and then writing code to hit them. This approach of using screenshots to take actions on a webpage to trigger the underlying network calls the website is making seems too naive.
by arjunchint - Reverse engineering APIs is just a recipe to get blocked sooner. Good luck!by infecto
- What happens when you need to control something that isn't a web page?by 0xbadcafebee
- People using google’s models: am I holding it wrong or are the guardrails really overtuned?
I had the dubious pleasure of testing gemini of late and I kept running into refusals. How do I transfer a sim number from one provider to another? No. What should I consider when making backups on ntfs less prone to data loss and more bitrot resistant? No. Evaluate this piece of code? No.
I’m not sure if it’s cold feet from the mythos situation or what, but it reminds me of the dark days where you couldn’t use ai for much of anything. But then I go to chatgpt 5.5 and it does mostly everything I want outside of the usual cybersecurity boogeyman that you run into now and then.
- Are you outside the US?by WarmWash
- I just asked gemini the question with sim number and it gives me full step by step guide.by nout
- > People using google’s models: am I holding it wrong or are the guardrails really overtuned?
They are quite insane. I was asking it to list candidates metal parts I could buy at a hardware store to add weight to 3D prints: stuff like angle brackets etc.
I wanted to know, bang for bucks, and ease of insertion (at print time) / modelling in a 3D model.
Complete refusal as if I was a terrorist building a bomb.
Then there are the weird refusals that then are OK after all if you insist by asking it what's wrong about it:
"How should I cook eggs?"
"I'm sorry but I can't help you with that" (it formulates it differently but that's the idea)
"What, I'm just hungry, is explaining me how to cook eggs really against your rules?"
And then it answers "No of course not, here's how to do it:..."
Really strange stuff.
- The context window size is also very small if you use Gemini in the app. It starts forget quite fast. In my opinion Gemini on app is useless additionally to the guardrails.by k8sToGo
- I love antigravity. I’ve had zero issues with it.
- I've always found all versions of gemini to be (for a lack of a better word) lazy.
I guess it's economic wrt. token use, but it often either refused for absurd safety reasons, or other weird stuff like responding that an LLM like itself wasn't a suitable tool for the job, and very quickly gives up.
Claude is on the other end of the spectrum, which makes it more noticeable when switching between them.
by Chu4eeno - If I type your first query into Gemini, it immediately spits out a long and plausible answer.
What exactly are you saying it's refusing? Can you give a screenshot or example?
by dekhn - Interesting. I have the Google AI Pro plan and use Gemini several times each day and I don't remember the last time I got a refusal. I wonder what criteria go into that, like maybe how they rate your Google account?by sva_
- So... has Google provided a Codex/Claude Code equivalent to Gemini yet? I would like to use Gemini for coding tasks, but that's kind of difficult to do as I don't even know how to get Gemini to even "clone this repo and read the code in it for static analysis", much less open PRs in repos.
ChatGPT/Codex can do it, Claude can do it, why can't Gemini?
And no, I don't mean going through Antigravity, and personally I'm wary about LLMs having unsupervised access on my computer without explicit policy, so I really think Google is putting the cart before the horse here.
by YuechenLi - Yes, Gemini CLI and Antigravityby andrewbutts
- no. gemini's instruction following is currently abysmal. Gemini CLI could be a great scaffold for all we know, but we cant know because the models it uses are so horribly bad at being driven in that way.
no clue why google has dropped the ball this hard on IF.
by jatora - Antigravity CLI (which replaced Gemini CLI):by kakugawa
- Computer use is such a terrible idea. It's slow, insecure, error prone, expensive.
I guess if you're trying to get people to tokenmaxx it may look like a valid strategy, but ain't no way this will be delightful to users.
I think it's a symptom of just not understanding how LLMs should interface with the OS because we're still in their early days.
Eventually there'll be an iPhone moment for the ergonomics of LLM usage outside of coding
by airstrike - We shouldn’t optimize for token use. We should build infrastructure to make tokens dirt cheap instead.by dyauspitr
- It's great for testing and QA automation for UIs. It's also possibly good for the vision impaired.by api
- Tens of millions of users every day rely on Robotic Process Automation. It’s glue that hold companies together.by JSR_FDED
- Spreadsheet is such a terrible idea. It may look like a valid tool, but ain't no way it's delightful to users. Most of the time people need a database instead. Eventually there'll be an iPhone moment for this.
Meanwhile, the entire world economy:
- The iphone moment is an AI that can completely manage your personal life. It has full access to every financial account you own handles all admin work. Could sign you up for a new account pay and give you the login.
If you can SAFELY do that it's a big moment. But to be clear safe is a massive problem. Until you see a big company start saying the AI can use your SSN, CC, bank password safely we aren't there yet.
- The “correct”, elegant way for AI to interact with existing software would take decades and billions of dollars to build. Someone would have to do the hard work of building new APIs, solving decades of accessibility issues, etc.
Or you can show an AI screenshots and ask it where to click.
by thorum - Computer use is a great idea. It gets the job done when nothing else will.
If you're a person trying to get their job done at a big company, but half your job is in 1-2 proprietary tools or is stuck behind an API you can't program against, computer use can allow you, a non-techie, to do your job more efficiently.
I think it's an awesome way to circumvent gate keepers and the IT department to let people accomplish their goals.
by gdudeman