Discussion summary
The Night Witches were an all-female Soviet aviator regiment in WWII, often compared to anime 'Strike Witches'. Discussions also covered low stall speed planes like the Polikarpov Po-2 and AN-2, and the US B-29 bomber built mainly by women.
What the discussion says
- Night Witches symbolize women's role in WWII aviation.
- Soviet planes like Po-2 and AN-2 are noted for low stall speeds.
- US B-29 was built mostly by women, with safety concerns cited.
- Cultural references include 'Star City' and 'Last Citadel'.
“Night Witches were an all-female Soviet WWII regiment.”
“Polikarpov Po-2 could maneuver below stall speed of German fighters.”
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Hacker News
by mugiseyebrows
As a result unless the AA batteries get you, or Fritz gets lucky lobbing a Mk 108 shell at you from long range, it's actually pretty safe and effective.
by stackghost
by Onavo
So Paul Tibbets, (who went on to drop Little Boy on Hiroshima) taught a crew of women to fly the aircraft.
The logic being; if women can fly it safely, then surely men can too.
by Stevvo
by pjmlp
The B-29 did have a major problem with engine fires, due to poor cooling of the engines and magnesium parts. An early test flight of it had such a fire, killing the 11 man crew. This problem was never fully resolved, and the B-29s were pushed into combat with this problem. Having an engine fire somewhere over the Pacific must have been utterly terrifying.
The B-29 also did not have hydraulic boost. It's a much bigger and heavier airplane than the B-17, which also did not have boost. The B-17, under emergency conditions, required a great deal of strength on the part of the pilots. My dad flew B-17s. He said that if 3 engines were out and only one outboard engine was running, it took all of a man's strength stepping on the rudder to keep the airplane straight. Even so, he could only keep it up for 10 minutes at a time, switching between pilot and copilot.
WW2 airplanes were designed with a man's strength in mind. The P-51, for example, required a great deal of strength to control it at high speeds and in emergency conditions.
Women pilots were used to ferry P-51s. Many were lost in crashes. My dad, who also flew P-51s, suspected that they ran into conditions where they weren't strong enough to control it.
The Night Witches flew fighter planes that were half the weight of the P-51, making them well suited for female pilots.
The advent of hydraulically boosted flight controls resolved this. Boeing lightened the "feel" forces on jet airliner controls to accommodate women pilots.
by WalterBright
by WorkerBee28474
by HelloUsername
by gcanyon
by cjs_ac
Cast their spells, explosive violence
Russian night time flight perfected
Flawless vision, undetected
(Sabaton)
by cl3misch
It may seem a joke but you actually can learn history with Sabaton.
by alecsm
by ksymph
by derektank
by msabalau
by jpmoral
by citizenkeen
by mbrd
That’s an interesting story behind the name.
by archerx
by gustavus
And if you are into all kinds of things
by oliculipolicula
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- And there is good anime "Strike Witches"by mugiseyebrows
- In one of the IL-2 Sturmovik games you could fly the Polikarpov Po-2. It's pretty fun because it can maneuver effectively at a speed below the stall speed of most German fighters, so it's pretty much impossible for them to "saddle up" on you for a tracking shot.
As a result unless the AA batteries get you, or Fritz gets lucky lobbing a Mk 108 shell at you from long range, it's actually pretty safe and effective.
by stackghost - Interesting, seems like the Soviets love low stall speed planes. The AN-2 was also famous for having a vertical descent speed slower than parachutes at full back elevator deflection.by Onavo
- Meanwhile, the B-29 was under development in the US. Built almost entirely by women, men refused to fly it citing safety concerns.
So Paul Tibbets, (who went on to drop Little Boy on Hiroshima) taught a crew of women to fly the aircraft.
The logic being; if women can fly it safely, then surely men can too.
by Stevvo - I think the logic was more like a ego thing, like it cannot be that they can do it and we not, as seen in many man first cultures.by pjmlp
- Interestingly, "Flight of the Enola Gay" by Paul Tibbets does not mention this, though other narratives did.
The B-29 did have a major problem with engine fires, due to poor cooling of the engines and magnesium parts. An early test flight of it had such a fire, killing the 11 man crew. This problem was never fully resolved, and the B-29s were pushed into combat with this problem. Having an engine fire somewhere over the Pacific must have been utterly terrifying.
The B-29 also did not have hydraulic boost. It's a much bigger and heavier airplane than the B-17, which also did not have boost. The B-17, under emergency conditions, required a great deal of strength on the part of the pilots. My dad flew B-17s. He said that if 3 engines were out and only one outboard engine was running, it took all of a man's strength stepping on the rudder to keep the airplane straight. Even so, he could only keep it up for 10 minutes at a time, switching between pilot and copilot.
WW2 airplanes were designed with a man's strength in mind. The P-51, for example, required a great deal of strength to control it at high speeds and in emergency conditions.
Women pilots were used to ferry P-51s. Many were lost in crashes. My dad, who also flew P-51s, suspected that they ran into conditions where they weren't strong enough to control it.
The Night Witches flew fighter planes that were half the weight of the P-51, making them well suited for female pilots.
The advent of hydraulically boosted flight controls resolved this. Boeing lightened the "feel" forces on jet airliner controls to accommodate women pilots.
by WalterBright - To be clear, it's "Built almost entirely by women, men refused to fly it citing safety concerns [about the engines catching fire]." and not "...men refused to fly it citing safety concerns [because it was built by women]."by WorkerBee28474
- In the Apple TV series "Star City" the head of the KGB surveillance department is referred to as the "Night Witch"by HelloUsername
- Shout out for Star City (and For All Mankind of course). The first ten minutes of FAM hit me unexpectedly hard, and the overall science fiction of both series is awesome.by gcanyon
- There's a pretty good depiction of them in David L. Robbins' Last Citadel.by cjs_ac
- From the depths of hell in silence
Cast their spells, explosive violence
Russian night time flight perfected
Flawless vision, undetected
(Sabaton)
by cl3misch - That's the first thing that came to my mind after reading the title.
It may seem a joke but you actually can learn history with Sabaton.
by alecsm - A beautiful animated short about the Night Witches (artistic, not educational): https://vimeo.com/224657277by ksymph
- In the US and the UK, members of the WAAC (Women’s Army Auxiliary Corps) and the WAAF (Women’s Auxiliary Air Force) numbered in the tens of thousands, where they served as switchboard operators, air traffic controllers, and deployed barrage balloons. They occasionally got close to combat, the UK’s Flying Nightingales who served as air-ambulance nurses, first flew into Normandy just a week after D-Day to evacuate servicemembers injured during the initial assault. Both countries also employed many female aviators as training and cargo pilots, but they were almost all civilian employees of the armed forces unlike members of the WAAC and WAAF.by derektank
- There is also a (very niche) TTRPG about the Night Witches by Jason Morningstar.by msabalau
- Love the premise but couldn't get the night phase to work when I ran a one-shot. It quickly became repetitive thought that may have been just my lack of experience with the game.by jpmoral
- Beaten to the punch. It’s quite good.by citizenkeen
- And also a board game that I'm looking forward to coming in Fall 2026 by Liz Davidson and David Thompson (art by Ian O'Toole): https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/388558/night-witchesby mbrd
- “An attack technique of the night bombers involved idling the engine near the target and gliding to the bomb-release point with only wind noise left to reveal their presence. Allegedly, German soldiers likened the sound to broomsticks and hence named the pilots "Night Witches".”
That’s an interesting story behind the name.
by archerx - Sabaton, a swedish historical power metal band, also wrote a song about these women if you're into that kind of thing.by gustavus
- https://youtu.be/0VGqHPeMoEA
And if you are into all kinds of things
by oliculipolicula
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