Discussion summary

A recent experiment successfully created and observed a cell that grows and divides from scratch, sparking discussions on the nature of life and artificial creation.

What the discussion says

  • Some see this as a demonstration that life can be generated from nonlife.
  • Others compare it to early stages of artificial intelligence or synthetic biology.
  • There are debates on whether such cells are truly alive or just mimicking life.
  • Some believe this could lead to creating conscious artificial beings.
It's the strongest demonstration yet that it is possible to generate life from nonlife.
tsunamifury
This is closer to consciousness than AI will ever be.
germandiago

Comments

Hacker News

"The cell is not alive by any definition..." "But it’s the strongest demonstration yet that it is possible to generate life from nonlife."

Contradicting themself in the same paragraph.

by 1-6

The wheel is not a car. However a wheel is a strong indication that car-like structures are at least possible.

by tsunamifury

> 'Unlike living natural cells... the synthetic SpudCell can't survive and replicate without feeding on external food and ribosomes'

So in the future when there's a lab leak from the Wuhan Institute of SpudCellular Biology, the SpudCells will devour all biological life they can in order to harvest the building blocks they need. "Just social distance and wear two masks," the Surgeon General tells the CNN correspondent, as he disolves to red gray goo on live TV.

by blorbthrow

Going by people’s reactions to AI, what will our reactions be to artificial humans generated from these methods?

Will they be hated? Killed off? Will they ever be see as legitimate, or just soulless beings, p-zombies.

by deadbabe

From cells dividing to human generation there is a single step.

Similarly a program that runs on a computer, where its only interactions are strings of numbers is the same as an entity having to interact with the world.

by vhantz

That is closer to consciousness than AI will ever be. :)

by germandiago

yes

by JanJedryszek

Elan conscietal? (a pun on elan vital)

by red75prime

Definitely. An implication of several strands of idealism is that we will be able to create artificial life (with consciousness)... it will just look like biology.

by namero999

For the love of all things holy, can we not do these kinds of experiments on the same planet we live on?

by joh6nn

I blame black mirror for this attitude. If you're going to speculate on imaginary futures why can't they be positive?

by snapcaster

:(

by JanJedryszek

Oh shut up, can we get some frontier stuff going without some doom and gloom. All this knowledge for all these years and next to no progress.

by dyauspitr

Uh-oh

by oytis

this is how Sekiguchi Genetics got started. Or maybe Weyland Yutani Corporation

by caycep

Frankenstein!

by galaxyLogic

"If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe"

by HanClinto

"And that is why God is far less interested in modern mortal affairs than Theists want Him to be." - [source forgotten]

by bell-cot

se penso ad una cosa del genere mi vengono totalmente i brividi

by Masho_17

Reminded me of Maturana and his autopoiesis.

by netfortius

I wonder what animal or plant would grow out of that...

by humanfromearth9

Neither. This is a single cell.

Replicating eukaryogenesis with synthetic components is something I hope to see in my lifetime.

by JumpCrisscross

This is literally how Cell was made. Cell Saga, here we go.

by kadomony

Craig Venter wanted to do this. But he died earlier this year.

by Animats

I'll be impressed when they can create an entire cell from scratch and it will start to divide. They can create all the needed precursors, bypassing millions of years of random permutation. Because until you have an entire working cell with replication, you have no retained benefit.

by yehosef

I could have told them that this would work, it's pretty obvious!

by keepupnow

For some reason, research like this has a much more apocalyptic feeling than it has in the past.

by catigula

Interesting. I pasted the article URL into Claude Opus 4.8, along with some questions about uses for cells that couldn't reproduce and Claude thought about it for a while, and then got murdered by the guardrails. I was invited to edit the question and try again; in a different chat. Or use a dumber model.

I suppose I can see why. But at the time I was just curious about the idea of "mule" cells.

by commieneko

Which shows why guardrails on AI are just dumb. What harm could come from answering your question? None.

by bradley13

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  • Hacker News
  • The wikipedia website to "It's alive" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_Alive) lists mostly horror movies. So I'm not sure this is good news.
    by amai
  • "The cell is not alive by any definition..." "But it’s the strongest demonstration yet that it is possible to generate life from nonlife."

    Contradicting themself in the same paragraph.

    by 1-6
  • The wheel is not a car. However a wheel is a strong indication that car-like structures are at least possible.
    by tsunamifury
  • > 'Unlike living natural cells... the synthetic SpudCell can't survive and replicate without feeding on external food and ribosomes'

    So in the future when there's a lab leak from the Wuhan Institute of SpudCellular Biology, the SpudCells will devour all biological life they can in order to harvest the building blocks they need. "Just social distance and wear two masks," the Surgeon General tells the CNN correspondent, as he disolves to red gray goo on live TV.

    by blorbthrow
  • Going by people’s reactions to AI, what will our reactions be to artificial humans generated from these methods?

    Will they be hated? Killed off? Will they ever be see as legitimate, or just soulless beings, p-zombies.

    by deadbabe
  • From cells dividing to human generation there is a single step.

    Similarly a program that runs on a computer, where its only interactions are strings of numbers is the same as an entity having to interact with the world.

    by vhantz
  • That is closer to consciousness than AI will ever be. :)
    by germandiago
  • yes
    by JanJedryszek
  • Elan conscietal? (a pun on elan vital)
    by red75prime
  • Definitely. An implication of several strands of idealism is that we will be able to create artificial life (with consciousness)... it will just look like biology.
    by namero999
  • For the love of all things holy, can we not do these kinds of experiments on the same planet we live on?
    by joh6nn
  • I blame black mirror for this attitude. If you're going to speculate on imaginary futures why can't they be positive?
    by snapcaster
  • :(
    by JanJedryszek
  • Oh shut up, can we get some frontier stuff going without some doom and gloom. All this knowledge for all these years and next to no progress.
    by dyauspitr
  • Uh-oh
    by oytis
  • this is how Sekiguchi Genetics got started. Or maybe Weyland Yutani Corporation
    by caycep
  • Frankenstein!
    by galaxyLogic
  • "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe"
    by HanClinto
  • "And that is why God is far less interested in modern mortal affairs than Theists want Him to be." - [source forgotten]
    by bell-cot
  • se penso ad una cosa del genere mi vengono totalmente i brividi
    by Masho_17
  • Reminded me of Maturana and his autopoiesis.
    by netfortius
  • I wonder what animal or plant would grow out of that...
    by humanfromearth9
  • Neither. This is a single cell.

    Replicating eukaryogenesis with synthetic components is something I hope to see in my lifetime.

    by JumpCrisscross
  • This is literally how Cell was made. Cell Saga, here we go.
    by kadomony
  • Craig Venter wanted to do this. But he died earlier this year.
    by Animats
  • I'll be impressed when they can create an entire cell from scratch and it will start to divide. They can create all the needed precursors, bypassing millions of years of random permutation. Because until you have an entire working cell with replication, you have no retained benefit.
    by yehosef
  • I could have told them that this would work, it's pretty obvious!
    by keepupnow
  • For some reason, research like this has a much more apocalyptic feeling than it has in the past.
    by catigula
  • Interesting. I pasted the article URL into Claude Opus 4.8, along with some questions about uses for cells that couldn't reproduce and Claude thought about it for a while, and then got murdered by the guardrails. I was invited to edit the question and try again; in a different chat. Or use a dumber model.

    I suppose I can see why. But at the time I was just curious about the idea of "mule" cells.

    by commieneko
  • Which shows why guardrails on AI are just dumb. What harm could come from answering your question? None.
    by bradley13

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