About the Digital Art

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Discussions on the relationship between artists, tools, and AI in digital art highlight the importance of collaboration and the evolving role of AI. Participants debate the significance of prompts and control in AI-generated art.

What the discussion says

Artists rely on tools, including AI, for creation.
AI's role is seen as a collaborator or tool.
Control over AI output remains a challenge.
Some see AI as a new medium, others as a tool.

“An artist struggles without tools, and a toolmaker is meaningless without an artist.”
— jdw64

“Where does AI fit in? I’ve never seen this as mysterious, just don’t anthropomorphize the computer.”
— dahart

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Hacker News

>We are none of us much without the others.

It can be summed up as: "An artist struggles without tools, and a toolmaker is meaningless without an artist." It's still a valid answer in the modern era, but with AI added to the mix, confusion sets in. But if that's the case, where does AI fit in? I am a toolmaker, but I actively use AI. So what am I?

A toolmaker who makes tools for making tools? But agents, at least when it comes to CRUD apps, work quite perfectly once I've given them a short command. So what am I, then?

by jdw64

temporary

by cwmoore

If you think, at least, you are.

by dfxm12

> where does AI fit in? […] what am I, then?

One of many. Personally I’ve never seen this as a particularly confusing or mysterious question, as long as you don’t anthropomorphize the computer. The computer isn’t writing your apps out of thin air, people made all the training data, and people wrote the tools that can turn prompts into code & images. You are just choosing to use the work of other people, and tools made by other people. In a very real way, your situation supports the article’s notion that we are nothing without the others.

Art, and especially digital art, has always had the ability to use/borrow/steal/remix the work & tools of others. AI is just the newest tool other people made that can do faster borrowing of other people’s work than before. After MacPaint, we had Photoshop and that was used to do a lot of borrowing & remixing too (as well as plenty of original & creative digital work).

I’m guessing that use of AI will mirror the other tools in the sense that the people who will be celebrated for their creativity, for the most part, will be the people who limit their use of borrowing from others and bring new ideas to the work, and/or the people who can tell the best story about what they did.

by dahart

The author sadly skips showing off the much more interesting claimed Etch-a-Sketch art.

by rf15

Of course, now the question the boy in the article asked - "where does the Tiger come from?" - could be answered with "the prompt".

The arguments today are whether a prompt like "draw a Tiger" are the same somehow to someone using a pencil or digital stylus or whatever to draw a tiger.

"But I do know that there’s no program that will draw one from scratch, any size or pose or color or style, like I want it, without an artist at the helm. And there’s no magic answer for us artists except that we are each unique. We are the only variable"

Not anymore! Now the only variable (for good or bad) is the prompt? Just add "super photorealistic, no bad anatomy" I suppose :)

by gilleain

To be fair, his “like I want it” can be a serious qualification that AI doesn’t yet meet in general. It’s still today pretty hard to control image generation specifics, and even harder to control videos. The times I’ve tried, I found the process completely frustrating. AI generated pictures are the most amazing when you have very low expectations, but when you need super controlled edits, it’s really not yet very good at that. Researchers are working hard on trying to fix it, so AI will undoubtedly become better at drawing the tiger “like I want it”. At that point, if I have to exercise a lot of control and make a lot of edits, I am, to some degree, still the artist at the helm, right?

by dahart

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>We are none of us much without the others.
It can be summed up as: "An artist struggles without tools, and a toolmaker is meaningless without an artist." It's still a valid answer in the modern era, but with AI added to the mix, confusion sets in. But if that's the case, where does AI fit in? I am a toolmaker, but I actively use AI. So what am I?
A toolmaker who makes tools for making tools? But agents, at least when it comes to CRUD apps, work quite perfectly once I've given them a short command. So what am I, then?
by jdw64
temporary
by cwmoore
If you think, at least, you are.
by dfxm12
> where does AI fit in? […] what am I, then?
One of many. Personally I’ve never seen this as a particularly confusing or mysterious question, as long as you don’t anthropomorphize the computer. The computer isn’t writing your apps out of thin air, people made all the training data, and people wrote the tools that can turn prompts into code & images. You are just choosing to use the work of other people, and tools made by other people. In a very real way, your situation supports the article’s notion that we are nothing without the others.
Art, and especially digital art, has always had the ability to use/borrow/steal/remix the work & tools of others. AI is just the newest tool other people made that can do faster borrowing of other people’s work than before. After MacPaint, we had Photoshop and that was used to do a lot of borrowing & remixing too (as well as plenty of original & creative digital work).
I’m guessing that use of AI will mirror the other tools in the sense that the people who will be celebrated for their creativity, for the most part, will be the people who limit their use of borrowing from others and bring new ideas to the work, and/or the people who can tell the best story about what they did.
by dahart
The author sadly skips showing off the much more interesting claimed Etch-a-Sketch art.
by rf15
Of course, now the question the boy in the article asked - "where does the Tiger come from?" - could be answered with "the prompt".
The arguments today are whether a prompt like "draw a Tiger" are the same somehow to someone using a pencil or digital stylus or whatever to draw a tiger.
"But I do know that there’s no program that will draw one from scratch, any size or pose or color or style, like I want it, without an artist at the helm. And there’s no magic answer for us artists except that we are each unique. We are the only variable"
Not anymore! Now the only variable (for good or bad) is the prompt? Just add "super photorealistic, no bad anatomy" I suppose :)
by gilleain
To be fair, his “like I want it” can be a serious qualification that AI doesn’t yet meet in general. It’s still today pretty hard to control image generation specifics, and even harder to control videos. The times I’ve tried, I found the process completely frustrating. AI generated pictures are the most amazing when you have very low expectations, but when you need super controlled edits, it’s really not yet very good at that. Researchers are working hard on trying to fix it, so AI will undoubtedly become better at drawing the tiger “like I want it”. At that point, if I have to exercise a lot of control and make a lot of edits, I am, to some degree, still the artist at the helm, right?
by dahart