Discussion summary

The discussion revolves around ZCode's harness for GLM-5.2, with mentions of its open-source potential and market competition. Users express interest in CLI versions and concerns about telemetry and control.

What the discussion says

  • Some prefer open-source and local solutions over third-party tools.
  • Interest in CLI versions of ZCode harness is high.
  • Concerns about telemetry and data privacy are raised.
With Musk buying Cursor, it is good to have more alternatives.
elAhmo
I'd rather use something open source and local.
Nekorosu

Comments

Hacker News

With Musk buying Cursor, it is good to have more alternatives on the market.

by elAhmo

How about no? I'd rather use something open source and local. We have enough of 3rd party controlled AI tools.

by Nekorosu

There are now more and more Harness clients. I hope we can have the best open-source client and the best open-source models, as this would greatly facilitate our work and operations. However, this seems unlikely in the short term.

by mosbyllc

cool to see how fast they are catching up

by roguedemon

Telemetry enabled?

by brcmthrowaway

is there cli version available for this harness?

by hsyvy

eager for zcode-cli. and their coding plan is always selled out.

by linzhangrun

Is there a CLI version of it?

by MarceloHenry

what is then VS code with GitHub Copilot ? It primarily does the similar things.

by soni_anuj

I couldn’t find if it is soc 2 etc

by daft_pink

Those are some odd hours though, why would evening time be peak hours? Usually (in the western world anyway), 9AM - 12PM would be peak hours.

by sourdecor

Z.ai is based in China and serves out of Singapore, that's surely why.

by brianjking

wonder why anyone would use this when GLM-5.2 is available in multiple coding harnesses already

by debamitro

This comes with a little bit of free credits. (after login)

by dizhn

It did last week. Wow. That didn't last long.

by dizhn

Coding plans are often out of stock, it's miraculous

by luoshi

Is it possible to use their subscription pricing with Opencode?

by swe_dima

I use the coding subscription in both Pi and OpenCode without issue.

by qaz_plm

Does it support Azure openai and aws bedrock models as well?

by denct

Is there any desktop coding app that can be used with local LLM?

by ernsheong

I built vibn.dev for this purpose, it’s very rough around the edges tho

by burgerzzz

OpenCode (TUI and desktop app) can use Qwen local

by dv35z

I could use them as a provider if they shown concrete price per token. Or concrete number of tokens in each plan. Now I don't know what I would rent from them. If I were to buy hell knows what, I would go to Anthropic.

by Artoooooor

Yea not touching this with an any-foot pole. They are just keeping up with the Joneses now. There is no reason for this to exist but there IS a reason it is not open source. ;)

by Art9681

Funny, I think the same about Claude.

by scotty79

Isn't competition and open markets a reason for this to exist?

by TurdF3rguson

separation of model and tooling is as important as legislative and judicative, and just ignore any tooling or harness not true open source. they will all slowly creep into your life and choke you trying to lock you in.

by jFriedensreich

First-party harnesses are great, but i'd really wish this was a CLI and not a GUI

by speedping

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  • Hacker News
  • The original submission was to [0] which I feel must be mentioned.

    [0]: https://zcode.z.ai/cn

    by sourdecor
  • You're referring to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48751752, which was the third submission of this. The original submission was in fact to https://zcode.z.ai/en, so I took that one and re-upped it in order to have a place to merge the thread. Seemed fairest!
    by dang
  • With Musk buying Cursor, it is good to have more alternatives on the market.
    by elAhmo
  • How about no? I'd rather use something open source and local. We have enough of 3rd party controlled AI tools.
    by Nekorosu
  • There are now more and more Harness clients. I hope we can have the best open-source client and the best open-source models, as this would greatly facilitate our work and operations. However, this seems unlikely in the short term.
    by mosbyllc
  • cool to see how fast they are catching up
    by roguedemon
  • Telemetry enabled?
    by brcmthrowaway
  • is there cli version available for this harness?
    by hsyvy
  • eager for zcode-cli. and their coding plan is always selled out.
    by linzhangrun
  • Is there a CLI version of it?
    by MarceloHenry
  • what is then VS code with GitHub Copilot ? It primarily does the similar things.
    by soni_anuj
  • I couldn’t find if it is soc 2 etc
    by daft_pink
  • Those are some odd hours though, why would evening time be peak hours? Usually (in the western world anyway), 9AM - 12PM would be peak hours.
    by sourdecor
  • Z.ai is based in China and serves out of Singapore, that's surely why.
    by brianjking
  • wonder why anyone would use this when GLM-5.2 is available in multiple coding harnesses already
    by debamitro
  • This comes with a little bit of free credits. (after login)
    by dizhn
  • It did last week. Wow. That didn't last long.
    by dizhn
  • Coding plans are often out of stock, it's miraculous
    by luoshi
  • Is it possible to use their subscription pricing with Opencode?
    by swe_dima
  • I use the coding subscription in both Pi and OpenCode without issue.
    by qaz_plm
  • Does it support Azure openai and aws bedrock models as well?
    by denct
  • Is there any desktop coding app that can be used with local LLM?
    by ernsheong
  • I built vibn.dev for this purpose, it’s very rough around the edges tho
    by burgerzzz
  • OpenCode (TUI and desktop app) can use Qwen local
    by dv35z
  • I could use them as a provider if they shown concrete price per token. Or concrete number of tokens in each plan. Now I don't know what I would rent from them. If I were to buy hell knows what, I would go to Anthropic.
    by Artoooooor
  • Yea not touching this with an any-foot pole. They are just keeping up with the Joneses now. There is no reason for this to exist but there IS a reason it is not open source. ;)
    by Art9681
  • Funny, I think the same about Claude.
    by scotty79
  • Isn't competition and open markets a reason for this to exist?
    by TurdF3rguson
  • separation of model and tooling is as important as legislative and judicative, and just ignore any tooling or harness not true open source. they will all slowly creep into your life and choke you trying to lock you in.
    by jFriedensreich
  • First-party harnesses are great, but i'd really wish this was a CLI and not a GUI
    by speedping

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