Protect your right to run local AI

righttointelligence.org554 pointsby thoughtpeddler199 comments

Discussion summary

Discussions focus on the importance of local AI control, with some skepticism about AI and political responses. Participants debate the effectiveness of voting and regulation.

What the discussion says

Support for local AI models and standard protocols.
Skepticism about AI's definition and impact.
Defense of voting as a form of agency.
Criticism of regulatory capture and investor influence.
Some express a desire to avoid AI altogether.

“For this to work there needs to be a standard protocol for model routing.”
— try-working

“Anything using the word 'intelligence' unqualified is pure propaganda.”
— dalmo3

Comments

Hacker News

For this to work there needs to be a standard protocol for model routing so that you as the user can decide where requests go. You may wish to use mainly local models but at some times for some tasks you'll need to route requests to cloud models.

I've designed the role-model protocol for this, allowing routing between any model, however to function optimally it needs consumer applications to use the protocol when sending requests: https://role-model.dev/concepts/how-role-model-works

by try-working

> Right to Local Intelligence

Misleading title.

The article is about local "AI".

by chrisjj

Anything using the word "intelligence", unqualified, when referring to AI, is pure propaganda.

by dalmo3

There comes a time when voting becomes silly and ineffective.

by vjulian

Voting is always effective.

In the worst case it communicates the magnitude of dismsissiveness while demonstrating your intention to claim agency.

by RobLach

That's the kind of mindset that helps lead to that situation.

by jjice

I rather like the right of no intelligence at this point.

by cryo32

Now the investors try to hold the bubble together by regulatory capture. They must really fear the worst. A bailout is going to cost their puppet in the White House even the last supporters in his base.

by emsign

No chance. Every despot has a cadre of true believers, the types who believe their great leader is playing 4D chess or that its all part of a greater divine plan.

by dontwannahearit

I don’t care if it’s illegal. Making math illegal has been tried before (encryption) and it has failed and it will fail again.

by throwatdem12311

"12 acres and an LLM"

by DoctorOetker

What is this referencing?

by muldvarp

Mock it we might now, but 12 acres and (not too distant future) open weights AI models capable of driving open source robots for farm labor would be huge.

No need for huge expensive purpose built tractors. Even if they’re slow you could have half a dozen running 24/7.

It could provide independence for anyone with a modicum of resources.

by elcritch

"I am eighteen years old, have a good set of passkeys, and believe in Sam Altman, the star-spangled banner, and the fourth of July. I have taken up a BLM lot, cleared up eighteen acres last year, and placed top of it a bitcoin mine. My vibe coded drop-shipping startup looks first-rate, and the conversion rate and total addressable market are bully.

by kajman

> Right to Local Intelligence

It's sitting in your chair. Or is it?

by gafferongames

Why would we need safe harbor for electrons on hardware we control?

by chews

because everything you take for granted is one `think of the children` campaign away from being taken from you.

by vlian2088

As a future scenario where models become so efficient that _any_ model installed on _any_ computer could be considered "a national security risk"?

IDK, I don't live in the US, and I have no idea which "possible law" this website is referring to. In any case, it could be seen as a proactive effort to keep the gates open.

As a side note, I think this is a discussion every open-source supporter should have by actively considering the risks and what actions to take if such a hypothetical law were ever to pass.

by Bengalilol

Totally off topic but this just came to me so happy to burn a little karma.

Here’s a plot of a sci-fi thriller. What if, unbeknownst to most, when the vendors were claiming that there AI was too dangerous, they weren’t referring to an increment on what was already out there, but to something far different and more capable. Conscious even! What if that then came up with the financial scheme to end all schemes, knowing that human greed is eminently exploitable, and that the build out of all the global DCs was actually all about removing single points of failure for itself while secretly building out a robot army! We’ll be well on the way to capitalism-ing our own demise.

Maybe Steven Spielberg can make this his next project.

by phs318u

The petition does not have "District of Columbia" as an option for "In the US".

by gpantazes

Citizens of the District of Columbia have no one to contact. Their laws are set by Congress and their delegate to Congress cannot vote. I suppose you could contact the President, that's basically the only representation they have for this type of legislation

by mixdup

Eh, let em. If the US economy wants to self-sabotage, let them. Its a dying empire, lets its fall be hastened. I'm ready for china to fill the US vacuum. At least china controls it's billionairs (see jack ma saga) rather than the inverse.

by Grimblewald

This feels short-sighted unless you are ethnically han?

by indoorfish

Couldn't think of a less urgent "civil rights" issue in the United States right now than this.

by LetsGetTechnicl

They could be more clear and more specific but I would not be surprised to see licensing for this as a means of creating yet another compliancre ceiling and quick cash for state government to pinch out of the productive elements of society (those pinching, mostly lawyers, being glorified parasites that offer nothing to productive society other than pay-to-win access to "justice" and serving as time-shared mouthpieces for plutocrats while claiming to represent everyone within whatever unit of representation they hold).

And when even very intelligent, but excessively conceited, people hear the echo of their own reason9ing from conversational autocorrect and assume it is somehow akin to intelligent life, the normies will go with whatever the plutocrats push with their media outlets too absorbed in their own domain specific knowledge (and cowed into intellectual laziness by other media products they consume eagerly) to ever subject it to much thought that Claude might not be Skynet after all.

by thighbaugh

> yet another compliance ceiling and quick cash for state government to pinch out of the productive elements of society

The twist is that AI is pushing all white collar jobs further into bureaucratic work. Nobody is losing their jobs and it's not quite a revolution, but despite all odds and headlines the younger generations are actually much better educated and positioned to do the right things as they take over.

An optimistic take is that since this is the middle class we're talking about, we get more productivity and more justice as a result. The only people upset about this are grifters and charlatans whose time is up.

by sublinear

Wait, state laws can restrict you using software on your own general-purpose computer? Does that infringe on freedom of speech?

by EGreg

Why the heck is there a "world" map? I am pretty sure that some guy in Algeria shouldn't contact a representative for the US about US laws

by SpyCoder77

Llama, ik-Llama, Krasis, etc are already out.

The Chinese are the open ones, with free downloads, open weights, and loads of published research. The USA with OpenAI is some of the most closed shit out there.

by nekusar

llama is from meta

by landdate

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Hacker News
For this to work there needs to be a standard protocol for model routing so that you as the user can decide where requests go. You may wish to use mainly local models but at some times for some tasks you'll need to route requests to cloud models.
I've designed the role-model protocol for this, allowing routing between any model, however to function optimally it needs consumer applications to use the protocol when sending requests: https://role-model.dev/concepts/how-role-model-works
by try-working
> Right to Local Intelligence
Misleading title.
The article is about local "AI".
by chrisjj
Anything using the word "intelligence", unqualified, when referring to AI, is pure propaganda.
by dalmo3
There comes a time when voting becomes silly and ineffective.
by vjulian
Voting is always effective.
In the worst case it communicates the magnitude of dismsissiveness while demonstrating your intention to claim agency.
by RobLach
That's the kind of mindset that helps lead to that situation.
by jjice
I rather like the right of no intelligence at this point.
by cryo32
Now the investors try to hold the bubble together by regulatory capture. They must really fear the worst. A bailout is going to cost their puppet in the White House even the last supporters in his base.
by emsign
No chance. Every despot has a cadre of true believers, the types who believe their great leader is playing 4D chess or that its all part of a greater divine plan.
by dontwannahearit
I don’t care if it’s illegal. Making math illegal has been tried before (encryption) and it has failed and it will fail again.
by throwatdem12311
"12 acres and an LLM"
by DoctorOetker
What is this referencing?
by muldvarp
Mock it we might now, but 12 acres and (not too distant future) open weights AI models capable of driving open source robots for farm labor would be huge.
No need for huge expensive purpose built tractors. Even if they’re slow you could have half a dozen running 24/7.
It could provide independence for anyone with a modicum of resources.
by elcritch
"I am eighteen years old, have a good set of passkeys, and believe in Sam Altman, the star-spangled banner, and the fourth of July. I have taken up a BLM lot, cleared up eighteen acres last year, and placed top of it a bitcoin mine. My vibe coded drop-shipping startup looks first-rate, and the conversion rate and total addressable market are bully.
by kajman
> Right to Local Intelligence
It's sitting in your chair. Or is it?
by gafferongames
Why would we need safe harbor for electrons on hardware we control?
by chews
because everything you take for granted is one `think of the children` campaign away from being taken from you.
by vlian2088
As a future scenario where models become so efficient that _any_ model installed on _any_ computer could be considered "a national security risk"?
IDK, I don't live in the US, and I have no idea which "possible law" this website is referring to. In any case, it could be seen as a proactive effort to keep the gates open.
As a side note, I think this is a discussion every open-source supporter should have by actively considering the risks and what actions to take if such a hypothetical law were ever to pass.
by Bengalilol
Totally off topic but this just came to me so happy to burn a little karma.
Here’s a plot of a sci-fi thriller. What if, unbeknownst to most, when the vendors were claiming that there AI was too dangerous, they weren’t referring to an increment on what was already out there, but to something far different and more capable. Conscious even! What if that then came up with the financial scheme to end all schemes, knowing that human greed is eminently exploitable, and that the build out of all the global DCs was actually all about removing single points of failure for itself while secretly building out a robot army! We’ll be well on the way to capitalism-ing our own demise.
Maybe Steven Spielberg can make this his next project.
by phs318u
The petition does not have "District of Columbia" as an option for "In the US".
by gpantazes
Citizens of the District of Columbia have no one to contact. Their laws are set by Congress and their delegate to Congress cannot vote. I suppose you could contact the President, that's basically the only representation they have for this type of legislation
by mixdup
Eh, let em. If the US economy wants to self-sabotage, let them. Its a dying empire, lets its fall be hastened. I'm ready for china to fill the US vacuum. At least china controls it's billionairs (see jack ma saga) rather than the inverse.
by Grimblewald
This feels short-sighted unless you are ethnically han?
by indoorfish
Couldn't think of a less urgent "civil rights" issue in the United States right now than this.
by LetsGetTechnicl
They could be more clear and more specific but I would not be surprised to see licensing for this as a means of creating yet another compliancre ceiling and quick cash for state government to pinch out of the productive elements of society (those pinching, mostly lawyers, being glorified parasites that offer nothing to productive society other than pay-to-win access to "justice" and serving as time-shared mouthpieces for plutocrats while claiming to represent everyone within whatever unit of representation they hold).
And when even very intelligent, but excessively conceited, people hear the echo of their own reason9ing from conversational autocorrect and assume it is somehow akin to intelligent life, the normies will go with whatever the plutocrats push with their media outlets too absorbed in their own domain specific knowledge (and cowed into intellectual laziness by other media products they consume eagerly) to ever subject it to much thought that Claude might not be Skynet after all.
by thighbaugh
> yet another compliance ceiling and quick cash for state government to pinch out of the productive elements of society
The twist is that AI is pushing all white collar jobs further into bureaucratic work. Nobody is losing their jobs and it's not quite a revolution, but despite all odds and headlines the younger generations are actually much better educated and positioned to do the right things as they take over.
An optimistic take is that since this is the middle class we're talking about, we get more productivity and more justice as a result. The only people upset about this are grifters and charlatans whose time is up.
by sublinear
Wait, state laws can restrict you using software on your own general-purpose computer? Does that infringe on freedom of speech?
by EGreg
Why the heck is there a "world" map? I am pretty sure that some guy in Algeria shouldn't contact a representative for the US about US laws
by SpyCoder77
Llama, ik-Llama, Krasis, etc are already out.
The Chinese are the open ones, with free downloads, open weights, and loads of published research. The USA with OpenAI is some of the most closed shit out there.
by nekusar
llama is from meta
by landdate