Discussion summary

Discussions cover issues with a drone-related website, the history of drone autonomy technology, and the distinction between remote-controlled and autonomous drones.

What the discussion says

  • blensor points out the website's sign-in issues due to a deprecated polyfill.io.
  • iamflimflam1 questions if the website issue has been fixed.
  • YeGoblynQueenne highlights the long history of autonomous drone development since the 1970s.
  • weinzierl questions the claim that all military drones are remote-controlled.
It uses polyfill.io which is no longer active and has been taken over by malicious actors.
blensor
This is a great introduction to all the technology that people have developed over the years.
YeGoblynQueenne

Comments

Hacker News

Crash course?

by infl8ed

Keeps asking me to sign in?

by CamperBob2

I’m not seeing this? Has it been fixed?

by iamflimflam1

It uses polyfill.io which is no longer active and has been taken over by malicious actors.

That's where the sign in request is coming from

by blensor

The fact that people just make this stuff and make it available to others is the most amazing thing about the internet (and the people on it).

by greenpizza13

It does not seem that the author cites the source of the control theory map. It was created by Brian Douglas [1], an engineer whose YouTube videos [2] are great for learning core topics.

Also useful is Steve Brunton's channel [3]. He has a freely available book [4] co-authored with Nathan Kutz that ties machine learning and control.

[1] https://engineeringmedia.com/ [2] https://www.youtube.com/@BrianBDouglas [3] https://www.youtube.com/@Eigensteve [4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36374528

by amemi

This is a great introduction to all the technology that people have developed over the years (since the 1970's!) to make robots autonomous, that, unfortunately, have never quite worked. As I like to point out, if we knew how to make drones (or any kind of robot) really, actually autonomous you'd see them used first of all in Ukraine, and recently in Lebanon. You don't, all the drones used in warfare are remote-controlled. Autonomy doesn't work yet. Not well enough to deploy in a theater of war.

Btw, I did really enjoy the graphic sumarising Control Theory. I'd criticise the lack of Planning and Scheduling, i.e. the PDDL-based symbolic AI stuff which is the technology that works best and is used e.g. by NASA on Perseverance, but OK, there's basically three communities that attack the same problem from different angles: Model Predictive Control, Planning & Scheduling, and RL. Two out of three is not too bad (but I don't see how RL goes under CT; never mind).

by YeGoblynQueenne

"You don't, all the drones used in warfare are remote-controlled."

Is this really true. My (admittedly) naive understanding was that in a first phase radio remote controlled drones were used. Then jamming became widespread and they tried to counteract with fiber-optic drones but they never caught on.

I thought that since we see more drones then ever now it must be a hint that most of them must autonomous to some degree now.

by weinzierl

Not everything Ukraine uses is public knowledge.

There are huge developments in automation happening and are being used right now.

by hkpack

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  • Hacker News
  • Crash course?
    by infl8ed
  • Keeps asking me to sign in?
    by CamperBob2
  • I’m not seeing this? Has it been fixed?
    by iamflimflam1
  • It uses polyfill.io which is no longer active and has been taken over by malicious actors.

    That's where the sign in request is coming from

    by blensor
  • The fact that people just make this stuff and make it available to others is the most amazing thing about the internet (and the people on it).
    by greenpizza13
  • It does not seem that the author cites the source of the control theory map. It was created by Brian Douglas [1], an engineer whose YouTube videos [2] are great for learning core topics.

    Also useful is Steve Brunton's channel [3]. He has a freely available book [4] co-authored with Nathan Kutz that ties machine learning and control.

    [1] https://engineeringmedia.com/ [2] https://www.youtube.com/@BrianBDouglas [3] https://www.youtube.com/@Eigensteve [4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36374528

    by amemi
  • This is a great introduction to all the technology that people have developed over the years (since the 1970's!) to make robots autonomous, that, unfortunately, have never quite worked. As I like to point out, if we knew how to make drones (or any kind of robot) really, actually autonomous you'd see them used first of all in Ukraine, and recently in Lebanon. You don't, all the drones used in warfare are remote-controlled. Autonomy doesn't work yet. Not well enough to deploy in a theater of war.

    Btw, I did really enjoy the graphic sumarising Control Theory. I'd criticise the lack of Planning and Scheduling, i.e. the PDDL-based symbolic AI stuff which is the technology that works best and is used e.g. by NASA on Perseverance, but OK, there's basically three communities that attack the same problem from different angles: Model Predictive Control, Planning & Scheduling, and RL. Two out of three is not too bad (but I don't see how RL goes under CT; never mind).

    by YeGoblynQueenne
  • "You don't, all the drones used in warfare are remote-controlled."

    Is this really true. My (admittedly) naive understanding was that in a first phase radio remote controlled drones were used. Then jamming became widespread and they tried to counteract with fiber-optic drones but they never caught on.

    I thought that since we see more drones then ever now it must be a hint that most of them must autonomous to some degree now.

    by weinzierl
  • Not everything Ukraine uses is public knowledge.

    There are huge developments in automation happening and are being used right now.

    by hkpack

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