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- Because they are feeding titles into classification function and based on what they don't like which they've established before, they kill the post before anyone can see it. NH is criminal and they'll never release the source code because they will be punished for what they're doing.by journal
- Curation and moderation aren't "criminal," and HN doesn't release their fork of Arc Forums because it contains business code for YC that would be a hassle to get rid of, but the original is open source. People come here because they want that high barrier to entry for content. If you just want a firehose of random shit go to Reddit.by krapp
- Greater transparency would be great. This is a wonderful attempt to look at the guts of the HNN machine.
The submission queue definitely gets gamified - self promoting articles seem to get a massive surge of upvotes suggesting a kind of bot farm.
Enquiring minds wanna no.
by newsomix9xl - HN is not a place that encourages transparency.
They only allow you to read what they want you to read.
by testing22321 - Please email the mods when you see voting rings so they can investigate and adapt. Complaining about voting rings in a comment from a sockpuppet account is not a useful form of participation.by altairprime
- And, what the fuck, I went up to the 800 newest submission without finding a single flagged but not yet dead submission???by g-b-r
- In my experience “[flagged]” does not appear until a submission is dead.
But that’s just my experience.
by brudgers - I tend to report by email rather than flag when something is egregious, because a single user’s flag tends to have no effect, and /new is so incredibly prolific right now that the chances of enough users flagging something that it gets marked [flagged] rather than simply never reaching the front page at all is vanishingly small.by altairprime
- Click on your user ID on this comment. Is the "showdead" pulldown set to "yes"? If it's not set to "yes" HN doesn't show you any "[dead]" submissions.
I recommend setting "showdead" to "yes". You see the damndest things.
by bediger4000 - Most are actually spam, slop, or obvious self promotion.by kay_o
- Would it be useful if it said "flagged - spam" or "flagged self promotion" or "flagged - slop"?by newsomix9xl
- Did you actually check the current ones?
Since dead posts are only shown to logged in users we can't even use archive.org to check the reliability of the flagging
by g-b-r - My submission was killed immediately. It took me weeks to build the product and days to polish the documentation. At one point, I even went 24 hours without sleep working on it—only to have the submission killed instantly.
I emailed @dang at hn@ycombinator.com but never heard back. What should I do now? I’m scared to repost because I don’t want to risk a permanent ban.
by nnurmanov - I guess HN has become an AI/vs human battleground:)by nnurmanov
- My experiences and observations of the moderation on HN is that there doesn’t usually seem to be an unreasonable response to real people trying to engage in a genuine manner.
If you are a real person trying to show something that you made, I wouldn’t worry about getting permanently banned without recourse and just post again, sometimes mistakes happen.
- > My submission was killed immediately. It took me weeks to build the product and days to polish the documentation.
You have <200 karma on an account created 3300 days ago, and I see months-long plus gaps in your participation this year alone, with almost no appreciation or replies from others. You’ve posted the same repository link twice today so far in comments on other posts. So it doesn’t seem like you’re much invested in being in this community, except to promote your brand slash project slash self, and the algorithms would likely take that into account when considering and killing your links. The mods can make a judgment call exception, and you’ve emailed them already so nothing more to do there. (If you hadn’t already emailed them, I likely would have reported you by email to them as a self-link forum spammer, so that saves me bringing you to their attention, too.)
> What should I do now?
Participate genuinely on HN on topics unrelated to whatever self-links you want to post, without referring to yourself, your projects, your businesses. Not because some algorithm might be counting your comments — and anyways, I assume if such exists, it counts unflagged comment net-upvotes that aren’t in marked flamewar or offtopic threads! — but because if you treat this community as a drive-by bulletin board to staple your flier to and move on, we’ll usually just ignore or tear down your flier (with user flags) and move on.
> I emailed @dang at hn@ycombinator.com but never heard back. What should I do now?
I emailed the mods at hn@ this weekend five or six times about various issues (this is about my typical weekly email volume to them) and, unusually, haven’t yet heard back, except in one case and it was a super easy one with a super brief reply; presumably there’s competing concerns with YC/HN/IRL as is sometimes the case and I imagine they’ll catch up eventually.
> I’m scared to repost
That’s an appropriate reaction. Barring a change in participation, I would definitely not try to circumvent the algorithms until the mods reply to your email or a few months has passed.
by altairprime - Ok, it's probably not a recent phenomenon:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33272357
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38412074
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28457450
No real answer there though, unless there's someone like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38413375 flagging like there was no tomorrow for subjective reasons.
by g-b-r - For those not aware - in your profile you can turn on showdead option that shows you dead submissions & dead comments.by khurs
- But don't turn on the noprocrast option;) I did it today and had to wait for 3 hours:)by nnurmanov
- Most pages on the internet are not a good fit for HN.
check all recent dead posts and vouch for them if they don't deserve to be dead?
To the extent it is important to someone they will do it. To the extent it is not, they won’t.
How does it work
I suspect using tools, heuristics, and intuitions developed through direct experience within exactly the circumstances of running HN.
by brudgers - > To the extent it is important to someone they will do it. To the extent it is not, they won’t
Who here knows that it's something you're supposed to do, if you are?
I imagine that each new submission is seen at most by a handful of people, by the way, on average probably too few to resuscitate a dead one.
And I hope we can get an actual answer to how does it work.
> Most pages on the internet are not a good fit for HN
Most pages on the internet are not submitted to HN
by g-b-r - This has been the case for years. Many accounts and domains are hellbanned so their submissions are automatically killed. Most of these are spam of various kinds.
I read /newest almost every day and vouch for submissions that I think have been unfairly killed but that's almost never.
by wmf