Discussion summary

A PostgreSQL performance comparison across 23 EC2 instance types was discussed, with suggestions to include Azure, GCP, AMD instances, and optimized read types. Participants also considered design adjustments for heavy write loads and comparisons with Aurora PostgreSQL.

What the discussion says

  • Include more cloud providers like Azure and GCP.
  • Add AMD instance types such as M8a, R8a, C8a.
  • Compare default PostgreSQL with Aurora PostgreSQL.
  • Consider performance with heavy write workloads.
  • Include optimized read instance types like r8gd, m8gd.
Gotta get the AMD instances in there.
Rafuino
Would love to see a comparison between Aurora PostgreSQL and self-host PostgreSQL.
ballislife30

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by sysguru2046

That might be an interesting comparison :)

Especially, cost-efficiency. I'll think how to put it, thanks :)

by anivan_

Interesting, is there something like this for azure

by crudgen

I was initially inspired by the https://instances.vantage.sh/, so, like them, I want to add other providers later. Like Azure and GCP.

It would also be interesting to have cross-provider comparison. I think it's doable. Thanks!

by anivan_

Gotta get the AMD instances in there. Not seeing M8a, R8a, C8a, for example

by Rafuino

Yeah, good point - I've limited the scope to make the first release more lightweight. I'll add them in the next one, thanks!

by anivan_

An info badge next to rps would be nice, I'm trying to guess what r is. Rows? Records? Requests?

by TurdF3rguson

It's requests per second, and I briefly described that on https://postgres.saneengineer.com/about

Small badges will be helpful, though. I added hovers in some places, like for latency numbers, but I think more visible badges will work better, thanks!

by anivan_

What are your thoughts on how design changes if writes become much heavier, ie. when recording agent operations?

by handfuloflight

I think we have a lot of DBs specialised for heavy write, like anything with LSM-tree in their base.

My vision is that there will be more movement in this direction, but still, we need first to understand limits of "easy to work with" databases like Postgres. It's easy to underestimate what Postgres can do.

And only when it's not enough, move to something LSM-tree-based.

by anivan_

I'd be very curious to see you add the Optimized Reads instance types, e.g. r8gd or m8gd, to your benchmark. They add a local NVMe-based SSD block storage that serves as a cache in front of the network-based disks among other use cases. They have been a huge win for us for a read-heavy workload where the dataset is significantly larger than memory.

Edit: Apologies, on a closer read, I realize you were not testing RDS but managing Postgres on EC2 directly.

by mattlong

Yes, I want to cover RDS with all of its specifics as the next step.

Thanks for highlighting this!

by anivan_

Would love to see a comparison between Aurora PostgreSQL and self-host PostgreSQL on the same EC2 instance type.

by ballislife30

Good point! I kept the configuration of the Postgres pretty close to the defaults, and it would be interesting to compare it with the same default Aurora Postgres.

And it should be easy to add - I'll check it, thanks!

by anivan_

Would be interesting to see huge pages and io2 impact.

I did a smaller version on Azure and disk latency had a massive impact much more so than max IOPs (although their crappy storage offering needed like 64-128 iodepth to get advertised iops).

Results seem mostly in line with expectations. Iirc vcpu is threads so on arm64 you get 4 smt1 cores vs Intel/AMD you get 2 smt2 cores.

by nijave

Most of the recent AMD instances on AWS have SMT off so 1 core per vCPU. None of those seem to be tested here though

by Rafuino

Good points, thanks. On huge pages: this is also about RDS vs self-managed EC2 Postgres. RDS effectively has "on" by default, but default self-managed (that I benchmarked) is "try" which is effectively "off". I'll update the methodology page to cover that, and, yeah, it makes sense to cover that separately.

io2 is on my future-work list. And agree, I have the same feelings about IOPS.

by anivan_

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  • Hacker News
  • Superbase?
    by sysguru2046
  • That might be an interesting comparison :)

    Especially, cost-efficiency. I'll think how to put it, thanks :)

    by anivan_
  • Interesting, is there something like this for azure
    by crudgen
  • I was initially inspired by the https://instances.vantage.sh/, so, like them, I want to add other providers later. Like Azure and GCP.

    It would also be interesting to have cross-provider comparison. I think it's doable. Thanks!

    by anivan_
  • Gotta get the AMD instances in there. Not seeing M8a, R8a, C8a, for example
    by Rafuino
  • Yeah, good point - I've limited the scope to make the first release more lightweight. I'll add them in the next one, thanks!
    by anivan_
  • An info badge next to rps would be nice, I'm trying to guess what r is. Rows? Records? Requests?
    by TurdF3rguson
  • It's requests per second, and I briefly described that on https://postgres.saneengineer.com/about

    Small badges will be helpful, though. I added hovers in some places, like for latency numbers, but I think more visible badges will work better, thanks!

    by anivan_
  • What are your thoughts on how design changes if writes become much heavier, ie. when recording agent operations?
    by handfuloflight
  • I think we have a lot of DBs specialised for heavy write, like anything with LSM-tree in their base.

    My vision is that there will be more movement in this direction, but still, we need first to understand limits of "easy to work with" databases like Postgres. It's easy to underestimate what Postgres can do.

    And only when it's not enough, move to something LSM-tree-based.

    by anivan_
  • I'd be very curious to see you add the Optimized Reads instance types, e.g. r8gd or m8gd, to your benchmark. They add a local NVMe-based SSD block storage that serves as a cache in front of the network-based disks among other use cases. They have been a huge win for us for a read-heavy workload where the dataset is significantly larger than memory.

    Edit: Apologies, on a closer read, I realize you were not testing RDS but managing Postgres on EC2 directly.

    by mattlong
  • Yes, I want to cover RDS with all of its specifics as the next step.

    Thanks for highlighting this!

    by anivan_
  • Would love to see a comparison between Aurora PostgreSQL and self-host PostgreSQL on the same EC2 instance type.
    by ballislife30
  • Good point! I kept the configuration of the Postgres pretty close to the defaults, and it would be interesting to compare it with the same default Aurora Postgres.

    And it should be easy to add - I'll check it, thanks!

    by anivan_
  • Would be interesting to see huge pages and io2 impact.

    I did a smaller version on Azure and disk latency had a massive impact much more so than max IOPs (although their crappy storage offering needed like 64-128 iodepth to get advertised iops).

    Results seem mostly in line with expectations. Iirc vcpu is threads so on arm64 you get 4 smt1 cores vs Intel/AMD you get 2 smt2 cores.

    by nijave
  • Most of the recent AMD instances on AWS have SMT off so 1 core per vCPU. None of those seem to be tested here though
    by Rafuino
  • Good points, thanks. On huge pages: this is also about RDS vs self-managed EC2 Postgres. RDS effectively has "on" by default, but default self-managed (that I benchmarked) is "try" which is effectively "off". I'll update the methodology page to cover that, and, yeah, it makes sense to cover that separately.

    io2 is on my future-work list. And agree, I have the same feelings about IOPS.

    by anivan_

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