Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

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• Hacker News
• To be fair, this is even worse.

  https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/07/07/european-parli...

  The party that they want to ban is a consistent and loud opponent of chat control.

  It would be hard to imagine a US party that didn't believe the other party is out of compliance with US values. As a justification for blocking democracy it's universal and ever present.

  by delichon
• The party they want to ban are neo-Nazis.
  by andrewshadura
• This is a bit skewed. AfD stands for a lot more than "merely" an opponent of chat control, including worshipping the 1930s era.

  As another example, one of their members (Noah Krieger) fights on behalf of Russia, conquering lands and killing civilians (article from today only in german, sorry: https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/videos-mit-schutzweste-u...). And many other problems I could list about AfD. So t he "they want to ban those opposing chat control" - sorry, that is a huge simplification.

  > It would be hard to imagine a US party that didn't believe the other party is out of compliance with US values.

  Ah? And why are there only two corrupt parties in the USA to begin with? I mean that's no real choice. Both are corrupt, and one now entered cult-status with the mad orange king. His cronies get rich. Everyone sees this. So, sorry, but your attempt to promote the USA while praising the AfD, is simply flat out rubbish nonsense. We only have bad actors here, no good ones.

  by shevy-java
• This party is far-right neofascists that are openly hostile to the democratic order and wants to deport German citizens to Africa if they're not Aryan enough.

  https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/01/11/l...

  > It would be hard to imagine a US party that didn't believe the other party is out of compliance with US values

  This is a limitation of the American two-party system that incentives polarization instead of cooperation.

  We have a working multi-party democracy and a majority across parties and ideologies voted for this.

  To say this has anything to do with Chat Control betrays either a deep lack of understanding of European politics or a conscious attempt to mislead in order to garner support for extremists.

  by vrganj
• Saying that AfD "is an opponent of chat control" is like saying its more-or-less direct predecessor advocated for vegetarianism.
  by lou1306
• > Political groups are factions of the Parliament, while parties are alliances of national parties at EU level, funded through the EU budget. Neither the group in the Parliament nor the lawmakers will face any consequence if ESN loses its status as a European party.

  It’s important to note the lawmakers stay in office even if the European party is banned.

  Europe is also not the US and from my knowledge it seems that this is the only party suspected of not complying with values. There are many many more parties that they are not trying to ban.

  by bcye
• Alternative for Germany (Alternativ für Deutschland, AfD) is a party that wants to revoke citizenship of brown people and expel them from the country. There are very good reasons they should be banned. Their opposition to chat control is completely incidental.
  by inigyou
• Why do these Epsteinist Occupied Governments think they'll get away with this unscathed. These demons are addicted to destroying freedom.
  by smashah
• Wake me up in 100 years and ask me what EU politicians are doing.

  My answer: regulating something:)

  by nnurmanov
• How many child abusers are liable to be detected using platforms that are known to report you when you can google (or chatGPT) how to avoid detection?
  by michaelmrose
• Charlatans and demagogues.
  by nlarion
• To everyone who wants to dismantle the EU: this is not the solution. Dismantling the EU is like burning down your own house just to get rid of flies. The UK left the EU and implemented its own version of chat control - Online Safety Act - without any transparency or real opposition. The right solution is the political fight. Europe is our home. We must keep it in good shape by getting rid of anything that makes it worse - like Chat Control.
  by cynicalsecurity

•   Dismantling the EU is like burning down your own house 
  

  I'm not an expert, but isn't "your own house" should rather be your country in this analogy? It ought to be still there without some bureaucratic institution on top of it.
  by Insimwytim
• the eu has always been an instrument of american imperialism. leader like ursula was casted away of german politics for corruption and most of the other big names had ties to american companies like goldman sachs or’other financial institution. the eu is a prison for all of us. for a moment germany thought they could use it as an instrument to win and crush its biggest competitors (france and uk) but now they dont have an energy sector (lost thanks to their dear american friend bombing nordstream and foreign countries financing an anti nuclear narrative) and as such they now also lost the heart of their economy : their industry. the final nail in the coffin is spain opening the gates to millions of mens from less developed countries while major european economies have record youth unemployment.

  its a crime against what was not so long ago some of the greatest nations on earth. now were as citizen are living under a distopia of urss with the worst of capitalism combined with the worst of communism. mass surveillance, removal of all personal freedom (freedom of speech, right to own property and cars, right to inherit, right to have a nation for our people, harshnpunishment for any contestation’up to jail timz for memes while at the same time very lenient justice toward murderers, rapists and other criminals.)

  we gave away our right to exist and be nations and we did that without even a fight

  by retinaros
• Exactly. This is ridiculous behavior. Simple solutions for complex problems are usually the wrong ones.

  One griefer which promised prosperit fueled Brexit, which caused Britain visible stagnation and now he is a candidate for MP promising to fixing it all yet again.

  I need to repeat, that Simple solutions for complex problems usually do not work.

  by hsuduebc2
• >Dismantling the EU is like burning down your own house just to get rid of flies.

  I don't like this comparison at all. Europe, the land that housed, fed and scarified my ancestors, is my house, not this supra-governmental corrupt bureaucratic institution called the EU that does not represent me nor speak in my name.

  Empires, monarchies, governments and all such man-made institutions like the EU get torn down all time, when they become too bloated, incompetent, corrupt and cronyistic and lose legitimacy in the eyes of the people. See all human history.

  Forests go through prescribed burns in order to be saved, for their own good, and so must political institutions. And when the rot is too big, it can't simply be "patched" anymore, it needs to be torn down and rebuilt from scratch with fresh new people, which in turn will get corrupted over time and get torn down, and so on, rinse and repeat because that's human nature.

  Ironically, the EU has achieved its goal of uniting all Europeans, as in they're all now united via hating what the EU has become and what it's doing.

  by joe_mamba
• Of course Americans want us to dismantle the EU, we are even weaker against US influence without it.
  by polytely
• I was a big EU federalist but now it seems just a tool for liberal authoritarianism pushed by the established parties.

  >Europe is our home.

  At the same time parts of my country feel less and less like home if at all and those politicians really hate adressing it.

  by modo_mario
• The EU is beyond reform, this law targets exactly this: nascent political projects that threaten the status quo.

  I believe that the EU will cause so much strife that the long peace we've enjoyed on the continent will be brought to an end, not because of the EU, but because of the wedges drawn between pro-EU and EU-skeptic countries.

  by budududuroiu
• Look at this other piece in the frontpage:

  > Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera (allaboutcookies.org)

  the eu should never have been born. The above are its results - and just an example. How do we fix that disaster?

  by mdp2021
• https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=COM:2022...
  by TZubiri
• Would these measures have prevented, for instance, the generalized Rape Gangs they had in the UK and that were hidden by the authorities to keep some weird idea of social peace?
  by mbmbn
• It's funny they thing criminals are using those platforms for discussion
  by wazzup_im
• Funny you think they think that. They just want control.
  by bonoboTP
• Anyone know how Signal is responding to this? They ARE E2EE.
  by BatFastard
• Their stance is of non-compliance and leaving EU market if Chat Control 2 get into law.

  https://aboutsignal.com/news/the-end-of-private-conversation...

  by choo-t
• Related today:

  Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48819008

  by ChrisArchitect
• Lobbyists control the EU. So much is clear to everyone now.

  I think there is no way to fix this system from the inside - it is designed to be abused like that. We need an alternative system.

  by shevy-java
• Even if there was no lobbying or corruption, the EU is structurally flawed: the Council, which is made up of 27 mandates that were given for local politics, is used by nations to launder their domestically unpopular laws through an EU indirection layer, the Commission has no electoral link (VDL was appointed, when afaik the Parliament should nominate a Commission President), the Parliament, the legislative body, has no legislative initiative, and despite rejecting laws drafted by the Commission, as we've seen, those laws can be forced through indefinitely until the Commission gets the rubber stamp it needs.
  by budududuroiu
• As a EU citizen I’m at a loss for what to do about this. I feel that they’re going against any average citizen’s interest. What can we do to make them stop?
  by terabytest