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- Hacker News
- If you see the long 3rd paragraph twice, know that you are not alone.by credit_guy
- Openai and Anthropic's doom porn are also not helping their cause. The public will turn against them and watch their margin get eaten alive by open weight modelsby gloryjulio
- Just saw on Microsoft
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/corporate-responsibility/top...
by Linserin - Makes sense Microsoft is placing it self as a model host and os providing open weight models for much cheaper on their infra already.
No wonder openai and anthropic are terrified
by mmusc - > OpenAI and Anthropic, which are gearing up for potentially massive IPOs, did not sign the letter.
Not anymore, OpenAI did sign it:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/corporate-responsibility/top...
by kpw94 - It would be interesting to know how many optimizations of the Chinese models were incorporated back into Claude and Codex.by ma2kx
- There are a ton of DeepGEMM kernels in all of the flashinfer adjacent stacks including trtllm. Bunch of the headers still have the CLion pragmas and shit.
- Let me put it this way: if they're not ripping off all that they can, their investors need to shitcan the leadership.by lenerdenator
- Many of the Chinese optimizations are public because they are published by the Chinese labs themselves. Hard to say what the labs are doing of course.by janalsncm
- To some degree even unintentionally this is all inevitable. I know this isn’t what you’re taking about, but it’s a similar line of thought. These models are consuming public free information, and they’re all also producing free public information, so they’re all pissing and drinking into same pool.
If we go down the line of dead internet theory which I’m becoming more convinced of these days, the volume of information that’s not necessarily original or extracted from reality and just interpolated and extrapolated from existing information in different ways by LLMs will greatly outnumber human information coming up.
In which case these models should.. start to converge on the same data I imagine, with slightly different behaviors within that. One big generative orgy feedback loop.
by Frost1x - I may be remembering wrong, but reasoning was first demonstrated by DeepSeek. Edit: I am indeed remembering wrong, seems o1 was first.by largbae
- DeepSeek has published some really good papers. Lately they're pushing really hard for dramatically cheaper serving costs.by ekidd
- The list of companies that signed this letter is telling (including Nvidia, Meta, Microsoft). Equally telling is the list of companies that did not sign it -- including Google, Amazon.by lr1970
- Google and Amazon are Anthropic investors right?by mlazos
- > Equally telling is the list of companies that did not sign it -- including Google, Amazon.
Could you elaborate? I don't understand your implication.
Amazon in particular hosts open weight models via Amazon Bedrock (e.g. Ministral 14B 3.0, DeepSeek V3.2, ...)[1].
In case it changes the context of this comment, I am a Meta employee, all opinions are my own.
[1] https://docs.aws.amazon.com/bedrock/latest/userguide/model-c...
by bhelkey - It makes a ton of sense to see this sort of joint effort being made by these enormous companies, but man, there's some part of me that can't help but feel grossed out knowing the best way to get the US to make the right choice is to have a handful of elite business people say it'd be bad for them.by sweetheart
- Yeah, this letter is just proof of (the by now long standing fact) of corporate power/corporate capture of American governance. Tons of popular protests against big AI? Makes no difference. Joint corporate letter about big AI? Possibly the government will do something.by voidhorse
- From yesterday:
Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49023016 - July 2026 (841 comments)
Also related:
OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49020868 - July 2026 (330 comments)
China’s open-weights AI strategy is winning - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48979269 - July 2026 (932 comments)
The gap between open weights LLMs and closed source LLMs - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48692058 - June 2026 (250 comments)
The unbearable cheapness of open weight models - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48668255 - June 2026 (186 comments)
by dang - I wonder what is happening behind closed doors for these companies to be issuing such a joint letter.by christina97
- Probably a real effort to push for some kind of sanctions or commerce block on Chinese models. Anthropic just doubled their political spending to $40 mil for the midterms to push for "AI Safety."by thewebguyd
- They are worried about OpenAI and Anthropic making their own processors and controlling the whole stack is my guess.by ErneX
- If there are effectively only two AI companies allowed to train or run model inference then demand for hosting, GPUs and data centers goes down, so they'd be able to squeeze their suppliers that much more too.by fidotron
- They've seen the government officials parroting OpenAI and Anthropic lobbies talking points, and they have smart enough people to see the signs of upcoming regulatory capture.
If I were cynical, I'd say it isn't helped by the current US administration.
by Aissen - Different companies have different motivations. I'm sure some are genuine, but a lot of them simply lost the race (to OpenAI/Anthropic/Google) and know they can't compete anymore, so are shifting strategies. How many times has Microsoft done exactly this in the past?by paxys
- NVIDIA sells the tools. The more the better it is for them.
Microsoft and Meta are also-rans at this point. Their best hope of catching up is probably leveraging their infra and open models.
by bmurphy1976 - Nvidia is subject to export restrictions on GPUs to China. So Chinese labs have responded by allowing American hosts to run their open-weight models in the US, where there are no restrictions. We see this in the EU too where Scaleway, and now Hetzner are getting into the inference host space serving Chinese open-weight models.
So Nvidia benefits from more inference providers running many Chinese models that they otherwise would not have been able to service.
by petcat - The future will probably have most of all companies running local models, simply because the alternative would be essentially every company that uses LLMs ending up becoming completely dependent upon Anthropic et al. And that dependence would be milked to the point of absurdity once solidly established.
And as a more general point - more major competitors in a domain is very good for everybody except those competitors themselves, who would rather there be as few as possible.
- https://www.anthropic.com/news/donation-public-first-action
Probably because anthropic is pouring $40 million dollars into a political pact to regulate models. And they have not been quiet about wanting to ban/regulate OSS models either.
I have no idea why HN still treats them like ~their~ they are the ethical good guy.
Edit: I can’t English. At least we know this came from my dumb swishy brain
by Robdel12 - These AI CEOs are psychopaths, they will do anything to get big bucks from defense contracts. There is recent interview with Dario where he said Iran school bombings do not even violate their redlines[1]. Full interview [2] shows that he think like Trump (we are the superior nation)
1. Breaking Points Discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIUrshGwgDI
2. Full Bloomberg interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2VHFgyawPE
- *squishyby antonvs