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- This looks interesting, and I've been keeping an eye on this for a while - but does anyone have experience from actually using this for real?by dflock
- - i ll take another new frontend AI framework over the AI / LLM chatter anyday
- please more of you start doing this and flood HN with frontend frameworks please
by vivzkestrel - As agentic coding matures, this kind of project is the right direction. The mechanics of writing the code become less important. But having a language framework that naturally resists mistakes will become increasingly useful and important.
Similar to how Rust is obviously a better choice today than C++. Who cares if the language is “more difficult” to code in, if the agents are doing the coding. What we need is building blocks that make it harder to author bugs.
by oofbey - And tla+ / sequence diagram / user flow diagrams / data models all in one "thing"
- That's an interesting - and maybe correct - point. Looking at the examples, it seems very long winded and not something I would want to write myself - but maybe I don't need to care about that anymore, as you say!by dflock
- I was thinking about agentic coding as well and a few years ago I probably would have really been interested in this project. But now it sits at a lower abstraction where I care less since the agent is the one managing it. It's strangeby triyambakam
- Just wondering how a matching backend framework for correctness would look like. Ideally something that doesn't repeat the React mess with two routers but fits right in Inertia style.by rramon
- Maybe a bit late to ask but how would an EffectTS backend integrate seamlessly? Im looking for a full stack agent driven workflow including domain modeling, designing state machines (with Xstate or SCXML?) etc.by rramon
- That is a fair question. Probably one could inspiration by https://github.com/lustre-labs/lustreby hit8run
- The front page example rewritten in Elm, in case you want to compare apples to apples https://ellie-app.com/zqnVHwRJSGpa1
Styling is all gross, sorry.
by 1-more - How is Effect, for those who have used it? It's good that algebraic effects are becoming more mainstream.by satvikpendem
- It’s great and the deep compiler integration means with a skill the agents write it wellby te_chris
- Pros: Effect has explicit errors, and dependency management that gives an awesome DX. I also like the two-way Schemas.
Cons: The API surface is huge so there is a steep learning curve.
by arnejenssen - It took me 3 months to go from “I will never use it” to “I will never not use it”. Plus it’s always fun to watch the creators of Effect get confused about which brackets to where. The syntax is archaic, luckily we don’t write syntax by hand any more.by e1g
- I use it from years, it's the only sane way to write typescript.
The learning curve is steep tho.
In any case it's a hard technology to sell, you don't appreciate it from hello worlds. In fact you hate it for trivial programs.
It shows it's benefits at scale.
Lots of tools like T3 and opencode use it at their core because they solve non trivial problems made of queues, retries, dependency injection, schemas, etc.
I've written a vscode extension with it:
https://github.com/dearhuman/effect-decorate/blob/main/src/e...
by epolanski - I love both effect and elm, but I cannot swallow yet another Vue/React crap even if it adds effect niceties.
Especially after having used ruby and elixir extensively after years of react/Vue, it feels so backwards (and LLM unfriendly) to split front and backend unless you have gargantuan reactivity needs (you don't).
I wish JS offered just one proper server side focused frontend solution.
by epolanski - Given their heads, most clients / product owners drift toward not just major reactivity but real-time. A lot of us work for others, under barrages of feature requests, and Effect and other tools (which may seem like overkill) can reveal themselves as a very practical lifeline.by Exoristos
- Oh wow, a new frontend framework! Has nature finally begun healing or something?by myk9001
- This feels a lot like sagas and redux sagas. Anyone else got that vibe?by danfritz
- I was feeling similarly: epics with redux-observable but swapping RxJS for Effect.by WorldMaker
- Its the same "solved" pattern, but with the pattern being more deeply rooted in a project.by SinParadise
- WebContainers have been available in Safari and Firefox for years. Why does it say I need Chrome?
https://webcontainers.io/guides/browser-support
Is this using a different WebContainers?
by LoganDark - The project seems super interesting and I've been following since the creator went on an effect podcast I listened to. My only gripe/concern is the fact that the docs are so glaringly AI (likely claude) generated which is something I've come to not expect from technical documentation writing specifically. All in all though, the verbosity tradeoff for explicit design choice here is the right one and I think it does better than elm by remaining in javascript land rather than building a nicer abstraction layer on top that often needs to reach in to do interesting things with the web apis.by curiouskoala
- I’m open about my process.by devinjameson
- I don’t like it either. Because I have a day job and like sleeping, I have two choices:
a) Actually ship docs, and use AI to help (I also do a ton of hand editing and review cycles)
b) Have poor docs coverage because I’m handwriting everything
I’ve chosen A, but plan to do a few weeks of docs rewrites before I ship 1.0.0. I would rather it sound like me.
by devinjameson - I don't know, as far as I can tell the demo on the homepage is bugged? Or maybe I misunderstand how it's supposed to work? If I click reset after 2 seconds and then click add 1 right after it, the reset never fires. What's up with that, that's not what I expected to happen?by Etheryte
- It's a framework for correctness, after all :)by ivanjermakov
- Will take a look at this tonight thanks for the feedback.by devinjameson
- The code didn't look that clear to me. Like bad smell city.by PaulHoule
- Agreed - I hit "Reset after 2 seconds", I hit "Add 1", and sure - it adds one, but it also unexpectedly cancels the reset.
Which I don't expect from the description, and I also don't expect from the code.
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So outside of the simple "This is broken..." feedback, I want to further pick on this example:
Don't fucking hide the imports.
Especially don't fucking hide the imports if you're showing example code, and you're doing things like
```
import { Match as M, Schema as S } from 'effect'
import { m } from 'foldkit/message'
```
Which I only know because I bothered to dig through the example playground counter (which is a different example entirely!)
It's a huge issue to show demo code where concepts magically appear, and it's just bad manners to use shorthand at the same time.
by horsawlarway