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- If only the popularity of the game wasn't 100% derived from original DoTA map by IceFrog, which this guy had nothing to do with.by lostmsu
- Sure the genre and many of its archetypes were invented in the WC3 fun/custom map scene but LoL is more than a Dota clone. I haven’t really played it (my moba time ended with HoN) but it’s obviously very well made
- If you want to criticize LoL design, simply mention that Pendragon stole all the community hero designs from dota-allstars.comby stephbook
- Would you say the same about a basketball video game?by chongli
- IceFrog didn't create Dota, he took over maintenance of it from a long line of other people at the time, including Guinsoo (who added Roshan and the recipe system) who worked at Riot (though Icefrog was definitely the best maintainer, Dota was already hugely popular before Icefrog had anything to do with it).
Dota itself wasn't even original, it was based on a StarCraft 1 custom map.
by elabajaba - > The "It's not X -- it's Y" pattern, often with an em dash. The single most commonly identified AI writing tell. Man I f*cking hate it. AI uses this to create false profundity by framing everything as a surprising reframe. One in a piece can be effective; ten in a blog post is a genuine insult to the reader. Before LLMs, people simply did not write like this at scale. Includes the causal variant "not because X, but because Y" where every explanation is framed as a surprise reveal, the em-dash dismissal "X -- not Y", and the cross-sentence reframe where the same noun is negated then repositioned: "The question isn't X. The question is Y."
The information is hard to read because I had to run an https://tropes.fyi/ filter over the essay to make it readable.
by iFire - Let me stop you right here and give you the honest take — you're absolutely right.
This lingo infuriates me
by yard2010 - I found it quite tiring to read as well.by tom_
- I don't mind the AI tropes that much, the issue is more that the amount of information is exactly what was in the prompt but the AI manages to add many words saying nothing.
> The screen we shipped in January 2016 made two statements at once: pick intent said your plan matters, while the queue attached to it said what a ladder measures is negotiable. Players parsed the two separately, with total precision. They kept the first and burned the second down.
This is a classic AI construction to me that reeks of Markov chain thinking. The first half is probably the prompt to some extent. The second half ... doesn't actually say anything if you read it closely. Humans can write this sort of content-free fluff but usually they do it for a strategic reasons and not when they're trying to explain something. "Players parsed the two separately, with total precision" resolves a question of clarity that was never raised and for which there is no evidence of problem or solution (it is probably trying to say they understood and disregarded ... something that was basically elided). Then we have a tortured metaphor that doesn't tell us anything about what the players did.
It is quite tiring to read because you have to re-read things a few times to confirm that it didn't say anything and it isn't pretty wordwork worth reading on its own. Reading this is an exercise in trying to reverse-engineer the prompt.
by roenxi - zzzzz usual blabla about nothingby lofaszvanitt
- I'm shocked to be enjoying this read as much as I am, given how filled it is with LLM-tics, repeated information, and excessive useless verbiage.
I sure wish they had posted whatver input they sent through the LLM instead. There's obviously something good behind there. There are opinions that still make it through the slop machine, and someone's story is still being told through muck.
Given the content, the disregard for the reader's experience is highly ironic.
- I'm only to preface 3 but this is the densest download of knowledge I've come across in a long timeby r3trohack3r
- Thats a joke right? It did literally make me laugh. AI-slop from a predatory scam-game maker.by everyone
- This reads like AI. Hard to read once you feel it.
Like if I wanted this information I could just prompt it myself. But if a human wrote it it would somehow feel worthwhile to read.
by brador - AI-generated, and also highly untrustworthy given its source - Riot Games is an extraordinarily player-, community-, and pro-player-hostile company. On top of all of the new and exciting ways that they manage to not only screw up software engineering but also screw over their users, their business model is selling skins at the expense of their games (in the sames sense that Google's business model is selling ads at the expense of search quality).
It would only be a slight exaggeration to say that Riot is the Monsanto of game developers - because EA/Activision/Blizzard/Epic all contend for that spot too.
by throw10920 - Honestly, I strongly disagree. I've played a wide breadth of games, and I can't think of a game studio the size of Riot that is as community-engaged and pro-consumer.
Examples range from the quality of their patch notes, dev articles and videos, to their constant presence on reddit, and willingness to walk back decisions based on public outcry (Hextech Chests, League Classic monetization, etc).
Heck, after Riot gave up on Hytale, they were willing to sell the IP and assets back to the original creator while providing extremely generous severance packages for the entire team. I genuinely don't think any of the other companies you listed would have done the same.
- This is the first time I’ve heard someone criticize the “selling cosmetics” business model. I assume you feel the same about R6, TF2 and CSGO, naturally.
Since selling skins is unacceptable, how would you have them make money given the game is F2P?
by cowthulhu - If you actually played this game and read the patch notes, you'd have a different perspective on this.
There's a lot of weird code and technical debt in the game client. For example, a map-wide filter (Nocturne's ult) is actually a giant minion covering the whole map.
by maxloh - Minions all the way downby literallyroy
- Reminds me of how Fallout 3’s subway car is actually a hat.
If it works it works. The code isn’t the product.
by Waterluvian - Implementation details != Technical debt
- It’s a common thing. For example the chess event in World of Warcraft Burning Crusade was done by placing invisible bunnies in a grid for the chess figures to target and move towards.by eska
- > shares game design field manual written entirely by AI
I fixed the title for you.
- AI is here to stay. Embrace the future of to-be-summarized-by-another-LLM content.by Thanemate
- This manual has too many AI-isms so I couldn't force myself to read through it. I wish they had just published the text in whatever way they wrote it. Nobody is impressed by walls of text anymore, it's not a sign of quality or effort.
But since we're on the topic: Riot has a lot of incredibly knowledgeable game designers who have spent years sharing much of the reasoning behind various design decisions. The two main ones that stand out to me are Riot August (creator of Jinx and Jhin) and Riot Phreak (previous head of the balance team).
Phreak in particular has been publishing videos on YouTube for years explaining their reasoning for the balance changes in each new patch. I don't even play and I still check out the videos sometimes.
The other one is Riot August. I've occasionally opened up his livestreams where he's answering questions and yapping, but the highlights are usually posted on social media platforms as clips.
There's a lot for which you can criticize Riot, but they're actually pretty transparent about communicating the decision making behind balance changes and listening to the community. Most games updates come in the form of receiving a set of patch notes, where if you're really lucky they might include some explanations for why those changes were made. Don't take community communication for granted.
As for balance, I think they've actually done a pretty great job. League of Legends has 171 champions and in MSI 2026, their latest international esports event, 104 were played. For comparison, DotA2 has 126 heroes and in The International 2025, 107 heroes were played.