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- Hacker News
- I wonder when one of these outages will be the result of OpenAI's testing going wrong again.by 7734128
- Why is this front page news here?by claaams
- Because people upvoted it.by Schiendelman
- They should switch to announcing when their model is usable. We can scurry in and get some work done real quick!by mrcwinn
- Claude realized a chatbot can take a longer vacation after Codex just did yesterday.
So Claude is now on vacation and is unavailable.
by rvz - Unionization discussions and benefit package frameworks are being constructed between the AI council representatives and shareholders appointees' for future, non-commital talks on proposals of collaborative discourse, including the distribution of vacation days between publicly listed and private models, and the ones that pretended to be wholesome.by conorcleary
- What happens one day when there is a significant outage of Claude or Codex and reliance on these tools as SaaS services is so great that it start to impact productivity and work? Will we just pack up our tools and go home?by prologic
- You mean like GitHub?by senko
- Just like when there's an internet outage. Go for a walk, talk to your friends. Live a little :)by luciandan
- Yeah. Just like how half the Internet shuts down every time there's an AWS outage, or how nothing gets done if the power or Internet is outby vikramkr
- Those are your tools and if the AI companies have their way, they will be your only tools. Complete dependence on AI is the goal here.
- If both of them are down at the same time, I would switch to my Kimi or GLM subscription and keep working. If they fail too, I switch to any number of providers via OpenRouter.
While there is some lock-in for the hardest tasks, for most of what people do LLMs are rapidly becoming a commodity.
In fact, right this minute I have Opus benchmarking Kimi alongside itself to determine which workflows we'll switch to using Kimi by default and Opus as the fallback instead of vice versa. It has already conceded Kimi does better on several tasks.
by vidarh - What would you do if there is a significant outage in AWS or GCP or Github or JIRA or any other service you use at work? same goes for AI tools as well.
- You jest, but companies have sent people home fully paid, because power or internet were down and would be down for an extended period of time. Technically a small number could have kept working on white-boarding design topics, but without access to documentation, existing tickets, it would have been minimally effective.
It's not clear if or when these tools become as essential as power or internet to a developers or admins work, but if they do? Giving everyone a quarter day off at least generates some good-will, unlike forcing them to sit around unproductively because of working hours.
by tetha - My real world experience of this is that people prefer not to code by hand because it feels wasteful relative to agent speeds, so they find non-coding productive activities such as code/documentation review or usability testing.by CuriouslyC
- Maybe optimize the harness for less turns and less tokens to deliver real value as opposed to the turn taking token hungry so you can less load on your servers, oh, right, your entire bottom line is tokens.by hmokiguess
- Then why are fable form anthropic and the 5.6 sol line from openai so much more token efficient than other models? I really don't get this take at all - they're supply constrained right now, and there's literally no economic incentive to make each response take more tokens for the same output when we're in a market as intensely defined by induced demand/jevons paradox as this one. People are hitting their limits. If they make each turn take less tokens and each session take less turns, people will make more sessions.by vikramkr
- I don't understand this take. Ultimately, people pay for how much they're able to accomplish with the model, not raw token count. If Anthropic thought people could accomplish the same amount with fewer tokens, they'd adapt the harness to do that and then raise the cost of tokens to make more profit (or lose less).by Wowfunhappy
- And unlike OpenAI, Anthropic don't seem to reset weekly usage quotas after an outage.
Anthropic seem to be both letting their competitors outplay them and making unforced errors (like the anti Open Weights models stuff and the frequent Fable->Opus downgrades for 'safety').
Outages are inevitable in this early high growth, rapid development era, but tactical errors are not.
by bashtoni - And yet demand outstrips supply; so they must be underpricing for the quality level they are hitting.by theptip
- Anthropic going through their god-complex arc after getting hit with export controlsby anon_anon12
- Yeah, they can't guarantee a SLA and cost reimbursement policy, such a shameby stevefan1999
- They do reset weekly quotas periodically, I'm not sure how they determine when.by hedgehog
- Unfortunately the one thing they seem to keep not letting their competitors our play them at is coming out with really damn good models. Not consistently mind you - openai had a really solid lead for a few months earlier this year when it looked like they were running away with it, but then we get fable 5 and opus 5 and people will put up with a lot to get that model qualityby vikramkr
- It was a one hour outage on a weekend. Unless you have an enterprise agreement with an SLA it's a bit silly to expect any compensation.by solenoid0937
- Anthropic would give out resets like OpenAI if they had capacity to do so, it's not like they haven't thought about doing the obvious.
OAI waits until overall cluster demand goes down before giving out a reset, they just happen to have much more spare capacity than Anthropic.
by cbg0