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- I don't think it makes sense to post this in HN. The comments are full of sock puppets posting very dumb anti-safety comments in an attempt to make the anti-safety camp look bad.by eternauta3k
- If nothing else, the article has a really good timeline of the OpenAI/HuggingFace “incident”.
But to me, it underscores the impending cliff of doom from the continued release of open-weight models: there's no cryptographic or architectural way to give someone full weights while withholding the nefarious capabilities those weights encode.
As noted in this paper⁽¹⁾, “publicly releasing weights is an act of irreversible proliferation”.
I’m sure this will be an unpopular opinion on HN, but open weights are the thing that scares me the most about “A.I.”. There is a lot of research in this area⁽²⁾, and I think most of HN is unaware of it or ignores it. Stripping refusals from Kimi K2.5 took under $500 of compute and about 10 hours, taking HarmBench refusals from 100% to 5% while retaining nearly all capability; the resulting model gave detailed chemical-weapons synthesis instructions.
The gate is only as strong as the least-cautious releaser...
⁽¹⁾ https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qmQFHCgCyEEjuy5a7/lora-fine-...
by eddyg - Posting ai doomer fud and lessworng articles on hackernews, a tale as old as time itself.by potsandpans
- So... no different from a book of detailed chemical-weapons synthesis instructions. The "AI" angle is immaterial.by chrisjj
- > there's no cryptographic or architectural way to give someone full weights while withholding the nefarious capabilities those weights encode.
This is true of closed weights, and in fact the problem is worse because they cannot even be scrutinized. We should ban closed weight AI for the very reasons you have just given
by bcjdjsndon - seems like a pretty clear-eyed analysis to me.
we're rapidly approaching the paperclip maximizer
by tim-star - I think this is why Google hesitated to publish their internal model which was ready long before mindless OpenAI idiots released their first ChatGPT in November 2022.
https://research.google/blog/towards-a-conversational-agent-...
- > an actual rogue AI outsmarting its creators
This tells us only how little smarts is required to create a (so-called) AI.
by chrisjj