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I feel some of that when I return from international trips. Like an outsider looking in. Not to the same degree as what the article describes though.

Being in a different culture, hearing and speaking a different language, different foods, sights, and smells. Then a day of travel later on the return and everything familiar feels oddly new and the same. While dealing with sleep deprevation on top of that because I can't easily sleep more than an hour at a time on airplanes.

by hn937758

I thought this was going to be about feeling watched, reminding me of philip k dick but it's more like being john malkovich which might be scarier

by NopIdoN

I used to spend weeks outdoors in the wilderness without ever entering a building (I would sleep in a small tent) and I used to have a similar range of sensations when coming back home and/or going into an enclosed building for the first time. This used to last maybe for a couple days.

Two more things that I used to experience, which are not among the phenomena described in the article, is that I was hyper aware of how sound echoed through a room, and I used to be hyper aware of how hard the floor was (carpeted floors are not common where I grew up, most rooms have tiled floors) I guess these two are something specific to the outdoor->indoor change and so they don't apply to astronauts.

by mastazi

As a high-functioning autistic person, the description of being “a half-step outside the frame” perfectly captures the way I live.

I am, and have always been, aware that I am experiencing the world and my own sense of self slightly removed from how people typically experience the world. It is very much like playing a first-person game with the POV set so the view is through the character’s eyes, but you remain aware that you are controlling an avatar in the game nonetheless.

Edit: interesting how they describe the degraded sense of proprioception as part of the cause, given it is often a problem for autistics.

by gavinmckenzie

This somewhat reminds me of the cognitive layers as understood by Nisargadatta Maharaj.

»The body appears in your mind, your mind is the content of your consciousness; you are the motionless witness of the river of consciousness which changes eternally without changing you in any way. Your own changelessness is so obvious that you do not notice it.« —Nisargadatta Maharaj

We are usually submerged and self-identify with what is known experience and therefore rarely ever question it. When the lived context of the cognitive environment we take for granted profoundly changes in unexpected and not yet experienced ways the absence of being submerged into the known emerges. And then the so called witness state of perception is suddenly obvious.

I have felt this many times after extended travels and stays in other cultural spheres where other languages (which I manage fine) are spoken.

by axiologist

Being an astronaut seems cognitively expensive. Your time is regimented down to the minute. Your space is regimented down to the inch. The things you bring up and down, including yourself, is measured to the pound. I would imagine you have to constantly be evaluating, assessing, and thinking critically about everything you do all the time. And then to suddenly not have to do that and just live in the moment has to be a massive readjustment.

by CoolestBeans

I spent months underwater on a US submarine and felt the same thing. Later the Navy pdoc labelled it dissociation, which is in the DSM.

    Common Types and Symptoms

    Depersonalization: Feeling detached from your own body, mind, or actions, like watching yourself in a movie.

    Derealization: Feeling that the outside world is fake, dreamlike, or foggy.

    Dissociative Amnesia: Forgetting important personal information or blocks of time that go beyond normal memory loss.

    Identity Confusion or Alteration: Feeling unsure of who you are or experiencing shifts in your personality.

    Causes and Triggers

    Trauma and Stress: Acts as a defense mechanism against overwhelming stress, abuse, or frightening events.

    Everyday Triggers: Loud noises, strong emotions, or reminders of past trauma.

    Mild States: Getting lost in a book, daydreaming, or "highway hypnosis" while driving.

by labrador

Moving this out of a subthread, but I can't find any sources corroborating the the phenomenon described in this article. In fact a lot of the literature from NASA seems to explicitly contradict the claims in the article[0][1]. Obviously not dispositive, but this article reads to me at least partially like AI confabulation. Perhaps my Google-fu is lacking here but I had Claude do a search as well for good measure and couldn't find any supporting evidence that way either. Without the author offering more primary sources I would advise against placing too much if any stock in this piece.

[0] https://humanresearchroadmap.nasa.gov/Evidence/reports/BMed.... [1] https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-30583-2_...

by DAlperin

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  • I feel some of that when I return from international trips. Like an outsider looking in. Not to the same degree as what the article describes though.

    Being in a different culture, hearing and speaking a different language, different foods, sights, and smells. Then a day of travel later on the return and everything familiar feels oddly new and the same. While dealing with sleep deprevation on top of that because I can't easily sleep more than an hour at a time on airplanes.

    by hn937758
  • I thought this was going to be about feeling watched, reminding me of philip k dick but it's more like being john malkovich which might be scarier
    by NopIdoN
  • I used to spend weeks outdoors in the wilderness without ever entering a building (I would sleep in a small tent) and I used to have a similar range of sensations when coming back home and/or going into an enclosed building for the first time. This used to last maybe for a couple days.

    Two more things that I used to experience, which are not among the phenomena described in the article, is that I was hyper aware of how sound echoed through a room, and I used to be hyper aware of how hard the floor was (carpeted floors are not common where I grew up, most rooms have tiled floors) I guess these two are something specific to the outdoor->indoor change and so they don't apply to astronauts.

    by mastazi
  • As a high-functioning autistic person, the description of being “a half-step outside the frame” perfectly captures the way I live.

    I am, and have always been, aware that I am experiencing the world and my own sense of self slightly removed from how people typically experience the world. It is very much like playing a first-person game with the POV set so the view is through the character’s eyes, but you remain aware that you are controlling an avatar in the game nonetheless.

    Edit: interesting how they describe the degraded sense of proprioception as part of the cause, given it is often a problem for autistics.

    by gavinmckenzie
  • This somewhat reminds me of the cognitive layers as understood by Nisargadatta Maharaj.

    »The body appears in your mind, your mind is the content of your consciousness; you are the motionless witness of the river of consciousness which changes eternally without changing you in any way. Your own changelessness is so obvious that you do not notice it.« —Nisargadatta Maharaj

    We are usually submerged and self-identify with what is known experience and therefore rarely ever question it. When the lived context of the cognitive environment we take for granted profoundly changes in unexpected and not yet experienced ways the absence of being submerged into the known emerges. And then the so called witness state of perception is suddenly obvious.

    I have felt this many times after extended travels and stays in other cultural spheres where other languages (which I manage fine) are spoken.

    by axiologist
  • Being an astronaut seems cognitively expensive. Your time is regimented down to the minute. Your space is regimented down to the inch. The things you bring up and down, including yourself, is measured to the pound. I would imagine you have to constantly be evaluating, assessing, and thinking critically about everything you do all the time. And then to suddenly not have to do that and just live in the moment has to be a massive readjustment.
    by CoolestBeans
  • I spent months underwater on a US submarine and felt the same thing. Later the Navy pdoc labelled it dissociation, which is in the DSM.

        Common Types and Symptoms

    Depersonalization: Feeling detached from your own body, mind, or actions, like watching yourself in a movie.

    Derealization: Feeling that the outside world is fake, dreamlike, or foggy.

    Dissociative Amnesia: Forgetting important personal information or blocks of time that go beyond normal memory loss.

    Identity Confusion or Alteration: Feeling unsure of who you are or experiencing shifts in your personality.

    Causes and Triggers

    Trauma and Stress: Acts as a defense mechanism against overwhelming stress, abuse, or frightening events.

    Everyday Triggers: Loud noises, strong emotions, or reminders of past trauma.

    Mild States: Getting lost in a book, daydreaming, or "highway hypnosis" while driving.
    by labrador
  • Moving this out of a subthread, but I can't find any sources corroborating the the phenomenon described in this article. In fact a lot of the literature from NASA seems to explicitly contradict the claims in the article[0][1]. Obviously not dispositive, but this article reads to me at least partially like AI confabulation. Perhaps my Google-fu is lacking here but I had Claude do a search as well for good measure and couldn't find any supporting evidence that way either. Without the author offering more primary sources I would advise against placing too much if any stock in this piece.

    [0] https://humanresearchroadmap.nasa.gov/Evidence/reports/BMed.... [1] https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-30583-2_...

    by DAlperin