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  • Isn’t spoken language in general and English in particular famously 50% redundant? Does that not provide the same (if not more) benefit to the model when narrowing the scope of intent?
    by seemaze
  • I suspect this means that there's just a ~10% inefficiency in token to information mapping.
    by mmastrac
  • Does anyone more familiar with the technology know if these AI models treat abugidas like Thai or abjads like Arabic differently when it comes to token usage?

    Specifically abjads since as far as I am aware their difference from alphabetical and abugida scripts is that they infer the vowels instead of explicitly marking them.

    by lovich
  • I think it's funny this works somewhat, but that's not what the goal is, IMO. The goal is to have the model do this internally in its "thinking" stage. On the very rare occasions in the past where gpt5 leaked its true internal thinking, the "CoT" was itself kinda similar. Instead of the open source "so the user wants me to... but wait... maybe I should... blahblah...", GPT5 was using internal traces like "try x.. no.. try y... no.. from x yes then z yes...". That's probably more token saving, or faster responses, if you can get the model to remain accurate.
    by NitpickLawyer
  • Well 8%-10% saving without measured quality degradation is not nothing, specially now that newer models seem to use more tokens than previous ones.

    Also it was tested on reasoning low, i'd have liked to have them tested on higher reasoning levels.

    by pineappletooth_
  • Why not Mandarin Chinese? Logographic is pretty compact.

    Also, this really should be more precise that it’s talking about neo-caveman. Legit caveman no speak English.

    by jpease
  • https://groups.google.com/g/alt.nerd.obsessive/c/EGuKIN_4dME...

      alt.nerd.obsessive FAQ v1.4

  In the episode where they were filming the Radioactive Man movie [1995], the comic book store guy tells Bart that he can find out the star of the RM movie. He promptly posts a message to alt.nerd.obsessive which states "Need know star RM pic". This information is relayed through the nerd world until it reaches a nerd hiding under the table at a meeting of movie moguls casting the film. He relays back the answer immediately (Rainier Wolfcastle).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_Man_(The_Simpsons_...
    by ButlerianJihad
  • I don’t know about the rest of you, but the bulk of my token usage is not what I type in - it’s that data the AI is processing for me. I’m shocked they even got an 8% reduction.
    by DougN7

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