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- I am running email server for my private domain using https://github.com/docker-mailserver/docker-mailserver . One day in 2023 i decided that beside of dkim i maybe should also enable dmarc. Because ... well, why not. What happened was that i started reciving regular reports over email from ms and google containing compressed xml containing no info other that empty report was generated. What should I do with that? At that time i could not find any tool that would be able to extract valuable info from that, so I disabled dmarc. Havent looked back since.by raluk
- I have set up DMARC, SPF, DKIM and whatnot. Sadly no one seems to take this as a signal for a competent mail setup, so Microsoft's mail servers regularly block my mails because of the surrounding IP range reputation - not because any spam would originate from my IPs or domains.by TonyTrapp
- Email has been turned into a by-the-corporation, for-the-corporation service. Corporations need DMARC so they can control email and the ability to spam. The spam I cannot block is spam from Google.
If you decide to think about this, you will quickly realize that email is f*ked and needs to be forked. Perhaps we need a Community Email Initiative that blocks corporations and only allows Community members.
Trust is the one thing you can't buy on the Corporate Internet.
I am sure many people will be offended and down vote this comment because they cannot conceptualize an internet without Corporations.
by talkingtab - I really think we should be solving a much bigger problem of the major email providers not providing an automated way of handling abuse and not caring about abuse reports at all. Most of my spam comes from the three major email providers and at this point I gave up even trying to send abuse reports because they just get ignored.
The big companies do not have to care because nobody will block Google, Microsoft or Amazon. They are too big to fail.
Spoofing a From field is an insignificant problem in comparison.
by jwr - The article speaks about DMARC monitoring, but not about "writing" it. So many orgs are too small to have someone paying attention of these things. Where I work, the CTO used to manage the DNS, but with very little understanding of what it all means. It was just copy and paste. And yes, it also says p=none. Probably because it was in the example. It's like setting up a website for your company, and picking some wordpress instance: how are you supposed to know the risks? It's just too much.by tgv
- If you have any domains that does not use email, it may be a good idea to set up some DNS records to prevent it being used.
DNS SPF record: mydomain.io. TXT "v=spf1 -all"
DNS DMARC: _dmarc.mydomain.io. TXT "v=DMARC1; p=reject; sp=reject; adkim=s; aspf=s"
That ought to stop anyone trying to use your domains as source.
by TheChaplain - I mind email for a number of small orgs (<1000 recipients each). There are so many SPF and DKIM failures from senders who you'd think would know better (Fortune 100-type companies). I don't want complaints from users missing messages so I end up disregarding failures even when published policy says to do otherwise.by EvanAnderson
- Sadly the article doesn't really touch on whether or not DMARC accomplishes anything truly useful. When I enabled DMARC for ingress email on one of my own mail servers, it ultimately ended up regularly blocking a handful emails from customers, yet virtually all the spam coming in had valid SPF / DKIM / DMARC, as do most of the phishing attacks.
The core problem is that the real need of email end users need is a way of determining whether or not to trust a given sender. Signatures are purely a technical measure which provides no information on the trustworthiness of the sender. The end result is that email scoring still has to be content based, and the signature check technologies are pure noise with no useful signal for the purpose of determining if an email should actually show up in my inbox.
The tech industry has a bad habit of providing solutions to problems adjacent to problems the user actually needs solved while leaving the user's actual problem unresolved.
by bcrl