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  • This seems to me like this is probably at least a large part of what OpenAI was up to yesterday with their aggressive price cutting; trying to get out in front of this.

    If the full non-flash model follows up with the expected improvements, and at the price point they've been keeping, it puts the frontier labs in a tough position and it feels to me like like OpenAI is reaching deep into their pockets to try to head that off.

    TFA link is a 404 though. I'm reading through https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4-Flash-0731 instead

    by cmrdporcupine
  • So GLM 5.2/Gemini 3.6 level intelligence for $0.28/m output. And their updated Pro model coming soon....

    Plus a size you can genuinely run at home: Unsloth lossless Q8 at 162GB.

    by scosman
  • The really interesting thing about this is how big of a jump was achieved with just extra fine-tuning here. No structural changes to the model, just more data, compute and time. It makes me pretty excited for the future of small models - DS v4 flash is a relatively small model when compared to the class it's competing with, so likely similar gains can be made applying quality data/training pipeline to other smaller models.
    by kamranjon
  • If deepseek v4 flash is beating DeepSeek V4 Pro, can we expect new V4 Pro which is on par with Opus 5 in couple weeks (even better if it beats Opus)?
    by throwaw12
  • Already beat Luna on price/task, by about 2x:

    https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/deepseek-v4-flash?intel...

    by WithinReason
  • Somewhat relatedly, how do the economics for Huggingface work? They must be hosting petabytes of models and datasets by now. I have downloaded quite a few “just in case”, only to replace them with the later iteration months later.

    Does the file hosting actually cost peanuts when you do it yourself and the cloud has shattered my understanding of what it actually costs to deliver so much data?

    by 0cf8612b2e1e
  • > For the Code Agent tasks among the public benchmarks above, DeepSeek-V4-Flash-0731 is evaluated with the minimal mode of DeepSeek Harness (to be released) as the agent framework

    So, are they planning to announce an optimized coding agent harness as well ? DSv4 flash is a fantastic model, and my daily driver. With reasonix or pi, I can code all day long and pay a few pennies for it. No token anxiety. Whereas the same model with fireworks/openrouter, with zdr thrown in, token costs ratchet up with no explanation. Likely that the model is subsidized for gathering usage data. I am waiting for the day I can run this locally.

    by bwfan123
  • I have updated OpenAI's chart[1] from yesterday to include one more datapoint: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731. It's on the frontier.

    https://files.parasmittal.com/openai_aa_luna_dsflash.svg

    1: https://openai.com/index/advancing-the-price-performance-fro...

    by pmxi

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