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- Tragicby orta
- Meanwhile, bundler and rubygems are being maintained ably, if not better, by hsbt.by baggy_trough
- Underrated comment. Unfortunately too many people won't be able to see this fact past the battle lines they've already drawn.
Those of us who just want to get our work done do though. This whole drama is so exhausting and I'm not surprised by which party is still trying to draw the pitchforks out.
by busterarm - How so? Does Hiroshi handle proposals at github better? Because I have not seen evidence for that. Ruby feels much more locked down nowadays. It has always had a Japanese driven programming language, of course, but now it feels much more closely aligned to first tier japanese and second tier non-japanese (unless they worked at/for shopify or github). And I am pretty certain to not be the only one who has had the same impression (again, excluding e. g. shopify or microsoft).by shevy-java
- a lot of tragic things keep happening to the ruby ecosystem.
the language has improved in the recent additions - ractors, it's faster now & always a pleasure to write.
however the ruby ecosystem has a tendency to deny reality - ruby is falling down rankings - people deny that's false but everything points to that.
the ecosystem is not willing to move away from rails. & DHHs antics don't help either.
by dzonga - Agreed. Though, I don't even think rails + DHH is the biggest issue. I did not use or need rails and had no issue with DHH, but now that he is driving shopify policy and ruby devs were eliminated, the situation is no longer neutral. Something changed to the worse in the ruby ecosystem, that is clear. I get less restriction at github-Microsoft than I get at rubygems.org - that part in itself is super-strange. The folks who were responsible for ruining rubygems.org should really reconsider. Look at how the new visual look is - it sucks. (It was not great before, mind you, but finding things takes much longer than it used to be before; that visual change is only perhaps 2 or 3 months old. Who is driving these crazy changes?)by shevy-java
- I was always a fan of Ruby syntax. With all the unsettled business this has flung up, though, I've moved more to Crystal. Once a language org starts playing fast and loose with lawyers, it is hard to tell where it is going to wind up.by thataccount
- I checked and yes, dayssincerubydrama.com is saying 0by agos
- The days of "Matz is nice, so we are nice" seem a distant memory of a bygone era. I suppose because they are.by MarkusQ
- I was just gonna post - If MINASWAN, then WATSMFRDHs?by SoleilAbsolu
- I'm still heartbroken by how this has turned out, and it doesn't feel like things have gotten better over the last 9-10 months. I really feel in 10-20 years we will look back at these events as a dark time for this community. I hope to still be writing Ruby in that future. I hope the wounds here, both personal and professional, actually get healed.by qrush
- > lost 3 of 3 members of the Open Source Committee (Gabi, Mike, Ufuk)
This is rich given they left in big part because of how much abuse they have received by "supporters" of André & co...
by byroot - Did Arko ever explain why he was trying to sell access to Rubygem's web access logs?by jameskilton
- He did not try to do that, he proposed a monetization schemeby arein3
- That’s a heck of a thing for somebody to go through. I’m sorry man.by brightball
- It provides mostly a counter-statement to what RubyCentral wrote.
What the "real" or closer-to-the-truth statement is we may never be able to find out, but on some singular points both sides would have to agree, e. g. timeline (for the most part).
by shevy-java - I thought Ruby Central were/had put this stuff behind them.
why are they still threatening to sue Andre Arko, and reporting him to the fbi?!
When I saw the postmortem or whatever it was called from schneems (and when I heard/saw he was involved and what he was doing) I really thought things were moving in the right direction.
by mijoharas - They aren't "threatening" to sue Andre. They threatened to sue him in October and haven't retracted it. He also threatened to sue them by raising issues about Bundler trademark.
A very common thing that happens in settlement of legal issues and even potential legal issues is: "you drop your claims and I'll drop mine".
He's shaming them for not backing down while he simultaneously will not back down. His framing is disingenuous.
He doesn't want a fair settlement and for parties to go their separate ways. He wants to wrestle control away from Ruby Central.
by busterarm - Because he is inconvenient to them, presumably.by inigyou
- > Unlike many community non-profits (including the Python Software Foundation), Ruby Central does not hold elections for their board of directors.
The PSF is a hellhole where everyone tries to cancel each other. People like David Mertz and Steve Holden [1] who supported other cancellations were cancelled themselves. And of course Tim Peters for opposing other cancellations.
You are only secure in the corporate inner circle, just like in Ruby. Even there Google got tired of the antics and fired Python core developers.
You use the PSF to gain influence and get a high salary with minimal work, inside and outside Python.
[1] The one-eyed snake (stuffed animal) "incident" PSF director.
by reloty - No links in this post by a green account, and people ate it up.by AlexeyBelov
- Still, as far as communities go, Python’s is surprisingly drama-free considering the current size of the ecosystem.
It doesn’t come close to Ruby and Rust.
Edit: burn karma burn
by rbanffy