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  • Fyi based on what people are saying on twitter, seedance 2.5 is ~2x as expensive. For a 30 second generation at dreamina it costs 1440 credits or around $15
    by JimsonYang
  • Which is next to nothing compared to the cost of a movie, animated TV show, or quality YouTube video.
    by echelon
  • Which might mean a lot for individual but is peanuts for a business
    by galkk
  • It has improved a lot, but these demo reels still have all AI video issues. Flash cut salad (including the scenes that should have longer cuts), unnatural motion that looks animated, unprompted YouTube-face acting, etc. Admittedly it's all a lot less pronounced in this version.

    What is much more interesting is how well it behaves off distribution (e.g. how far it can deviate from that movie/trailer aesthetics and still stay coherent)

    by orbital-decay
  • The sample video looks incredible and the ability to keep details consistent for so long is impressive but it _still_ looks screams of AI in every single shot. I can’t put my finger on why, something about the way the rooms are put together, the expressions of the faces, the movements… It’s very unsettling.
    by sickcodebruh
  • No need to fret, this is the worst it's going to be. Remember, Will Smith + Spaghetti videos?
    by zuzululu
  • I think we as humans are just really good at being able to tell. CGI has been around for decades and yet we can still look at it and say "yeah that was CGI". Uncanny valley I guess?
    by cautiouscat
  • This seems extraordinarily good to me, compared to what I've seen before. Their washing machine advert example seems like it's as good as anything else on social media. I'm shocked by the quality and the coherence they're able to maintain, I assume it's really good at using those reference images they mention in their prompts. I think the only one that's noticeably bad is the concert hall, where the first few seconds show almost empty stalls and then toward the end it shows a full audience, and that audience also looks a bit off.
    by mcintyre1994
  • The video quality is insane, but is there a model that doesn't make video where it looks like the characters are pausing at the end of their lines for a laugh track? There just seems to be an extra couple of beats after someone says something where they just stand dead still. What's the deal with that?
    by arjie
  • Video generation models generate videos of a predetermined duration, so if a character finishes a line but there's still seconds remaining, then the model still has to fill it in
    by sheept
  • You know what, in my previous life as a filmmaker I could've only dreamed of such a thing. Filmmaking is an art form which you cannot do alone. Outside of a lot of time and money, you need cooperation of a number of people and each day of production you end up accumulating a set of compromises to your vision. Your taste is what makes you tolerate that or not, and it's exhausting. It matters if you're the author since at the end of the day it's your name on it, not the crew (as much).

    Now that we have these tools, I don't know but I am absolutely disinterested in it. Not that it doesn't feel right or anything, but I'm just not excited enough even to want to try to materialize some of my "big game" stuff. Closest thing I'd compare it with is like when you pirate a bunch of games and you play none as a result of abundance.

    Weird-ass times.

    by Keyframe
  • I am going through the same struggle but with software development.
    by rudy6912
  • I am not a film maker but I had some sketches on my head that I always wanted to try to make. Even Gemini scratched the itch for me, and my folder “projects” is growing with other ideas that I’d like to sketch
    by galkk
  • Was just going to say... Even if all AI gives me is the opportunity to bring my visions to life even somewhat terribly... That's a lot better than I'd be able to do without it. Which is for them to go nowhere. I'll take it.
    by onlyrealcuzzo
  • The thing is, it has the same essential property that you don't control it any more. The problem with these tools is the lack of fine grained control means there is no room for you to express your individual creative input. Your total input is a few sentences of a prompt, then the AI did all the creative part. If the creative input is what you enjoyed, it is actually not that much more (or even less) here than it was with traditional film.
    by zmmmmm
  • I think for me it's just missing the "essence". Making a film is hard, but that labor with multiple people who are passionate about the project is just as important as the end result.

    I've been trying to generate concept art for a game idea. I figure, I can't draw so why not have something else bring my vision to life. After dozens of failed attempts and burned tokens I decided to just hire someone. The experience was night and day. They provided thoughtful details to help tell a story in the image. They got to tell me what they added and why, etc. This isn't even their project but their passion for it showed in the end result.

    These models are impressive, but I think people watch movies because of the essence as much as the movie itself.

    by cautiouscat
  • The video is silly but the quality is very impressive. We are very close to climbing out the other side of the uncanny valley.
    by locusofself
  • I would say we are pretty much there.
    by HawtAds
  • I don't think audio, image or video generation should exist. I haven't seen enough positive applications to justify the amount of harm these tools are being used to cause.
    by damsta
  • Now they cause harm because there's people that may believe a fake video is real. But people is developing skepticism about what they see in videos and learning to think that they may be generated, before taking them as true.

    What kind of harms do you have in mind?

    by argentinian
  • You comment is completely unethical it's funny you think you are saying something good
    by skakcnejwisnsid
  • While I generally think it's balanced against a lot of negative applications (misinformation, deepfakes, etc.), there are some good applications. I think regulation just hasn't sufficiently caught up with the harm they can cause.

    To give a good use case (audio generation specifically), the 2002 game Morrowind has had a resurgence lately and it's a really great game, but it lacks fully voiced lines for dialogue. A community project called Voices of Vvardenfell uses ElevenAI to generate voice lines from the voiced lines that do exist in the game. They don't take away jobs from artists because it was a monumental (unpaid) undertaking from community volunteers to do this before (there was such a big project but it was abandoned last I saw).

    So as with any emerging technologies, I think it just needs to be properly regulated.

    by chrysoprace
  • It seems like the race to the bottom slowed down with audio, video and image generation models.

    OpenAI has completely shifted focus, Google still is working on various toolings/models but ultimately most people are unwilling to pay for these generations, whereby code, can easily be burned (and paid for) by businesses.

    image gen isn't a proven market (at least not yet).

    by HDBaseT
  • What are the positive applications? This all seems to be generating fake images/videos just because we can, not because it solves any real problems. It makes me wonder where the money is coming from to fund this stuff. Why would a regular person want to generate fake videos except for purposes of deception or debauchery?
    by globular-toast
  • Seedance 2.5 looks amazing, but MiniMax H3 is going to be open weights within 24 hours: https://fal.ai/minimax-h3. According to the ComfyUI team, it should even work acceptably on mid-range consumer GPUs like the 3080.

    I'd honestly take the slight quality hit for more control and lower costs.

    by ronsor
  • New model day, here we go again! It’s a week of madness and all the wrong advice… and at the end of the week, the model is either dead or a massive hit. There is little middle ground.

    I’m watching H3 to see if it fixes the nonsense that LTX introduced and what happens next… WAN is due, LTX says a new model is coming, Flux3 does video.

    It went from zero video models to a lot of options due this year.

    by SV_BubbleTime
  • This. I'm very much happy to see minimax-h3 be released. I have so many projects that I have on the back burner that I could complete within minutes instead of hours and hours. "Typography, UI, and Graphics".
    by razster
  • There is a woman on twitter who makes seedance videos of her and Dario from anthropic, they're kinda weird but generally pretty high quality: https://x.com/CuiMao/status/2058458683781365873 (full collection: https://x.com/CuiMao/status/2082740754380984373) - seeing them was the first time I'd been impressed with AI video gen.
    by neom
  • The scene that says “Stanford University” looks a lot like UCLA.
    by cortesoft
  • I wonder if it'd handle chopsticks better: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/p0yrn0x4q5pdz1ibl0gfa/Screens... (from your first link)
    by Groxx