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- I have to assume this means that they are about to release the final version of v4 Pro and it uses more resources than the preview didby vitaflo
- Bound to happen. I’ve been using the new flash and it’s insane the value I’ve gotten, I wish I used it more for some other homelab things.by recov
- Not surprised, DeepSeek v4-flash is basically free right now. I've been using it for a custom agent that is more about orchestrating a lot of the "chores" of using a computer (calendar checking, reading slack channels for me, reading my email etc) and it's basically free. I think I've spent $2 in API credits in the past 60 daysby efficax
- 2x DGX Spark runs DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 quite well and I already reimplemented a few classical games with it in a few hours in OpenCode with minimal hand-holding. I am expecting the inference price to collapse over time and not increase, at least for models that are able to do like 95-99% of work quickly and only the most problematic parts requiring something better.by storus
- It's exciting, but that's $9k for a model that's in the ballpark of last year's frontier. For many people that's like 10 years of up-front cost in a landscape that's getting better and cheaper every week.
but compared to the $500k+ racks running the current frontier, it does give perspective.
by tempoponet - From the announcement:
We plan to raise the overall pricing for DeepSeek API services in the near future, with a significant increase expected. Please plan your usage accordingly. The specific pricing plan will be subject to official notice.
Now, the question remains, what does that "significant" mean? Would it still be cheaper than the competition, or did they realize they are too cheap for what they offer?
Given that many inference providers offer DS4 flash for more or less the same input and output token price as DeepSeek, they have good profits even with todays low prices.
by miroljub - It’s all about the cache prices. Those dominate usage, cached tokens are easily >90% if not >95% of all used tokens.by _aavaa_
- Link redirects to a login page.by mdrzn
- If you log and view your "Usage" page there is a blue banner near the top in a blue box saying:
> We plan to raise the overall pricing for DeepSeek API services in the near future, with a significant increase expected. Please plan your usage accordingly. The specific pricing plan will be subject to official notice.
by svnt - FWIW, I have found Xiaomi’s MiMo-V2.5-Pro to be a pretty cost-effective alternative. https://mimo.mi.com/models/en-US/mimo-v2.5-pro
While it won’t cover everything DeepSeek does, it handles sophisticated tasks quite well. I found it after spotting it on a chart of different models and it was listed as being near Deepseek v4 Flash’s price/performance levels.
I have noticed by the way that DeepSeek’s API has been pretty slow the past couple of days. This feels like a demand-driven move more than anything. Good thing I invested in an eGPU!
- > Good thing I invested in an eGPU!
Curious: Which one?
> MiMo-V2.5-Pro to be a pretty cost-effective alternative ... I found it after spotting it on a chart of different models and it was listed as being near DeepSeek v4 Flash's price/performance levels.
MiMo v2.5 Pro is at DeepSeek v4 Pro price level (but consumes lesser tokens per task, so cheaper overall). DeepSeek v4 Flash costs ~3x lesser than the Pro variant!
by ignoramous - Well it was nice while it lasted. Built so much stuff for basically free. I can only thank them for that.
I guess this means that this powerful model for very cheap concept does not work?
by patates - It was insane how much you could get done for a couple of dollars.
The good times never last.
by nerdix - > I guess this means that this powerful model for very cheap concept does not work?
Remember how cheap Uber rides were? That being said, current models are absolutely incredible. And I’ll think they’re going to get cheaper when the next generation is released.
by f6v - They were showing notices about doubling pricing during american working timezones a week ago, so it seems likely to be demand related.
Their v4 flash is brilliant, and I expect they have had a huge, and expensive to handle at short notice, surge in customers as a result.
by mosura - I don't think you should submit links to logged-in dashboards on HN. For those who don't have a Deepseek account, this is just a banner reading:
We plan to raise the overall pricing for DeepSeek API services in the near future, with a significant increase expected. Please plan your usage accordingly. The specific pricing plan will be subject to official notice.
by anigbrowl - I guess they invested in some new infra and want to make that back over the next 10 months [0]:
> For us, a reasonable profit means roughly this: we buy a batch of servers, and we recover the cost in about ten months. Given the risks and the upfront investment, even if we depreciate a server financially over three or five years, commercially we think a ten-month payback is enough. That is the logic behind our current API pricing. For V3.2 Flash and other models, the standard is the same: recover the cost of the equipment in ten months.
[0]: https://thechatr.ai/blog/deepseek-liang-wenfeng-investor-mee...
by LoganDark - I'm guessing this is almost entirely about the incredibly low cache read prices. Few have come close to them, nothing has a bigger effect on (a typical) session price, and with the price of RAM right now, they have to be the biggest pain point for them right now? A 10x increase in cache read would be a significant increase, yet would still keep them cheaper than every other provider of their model (at least based on the prices at https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-pro#providers)by petercooper
- I wanted to say luna's way cheaper now too, but oh my god I must have misremembered, DeepSeek cache read is 0.002, not 0.02.by andai
- Yes exactly this. Even a significantly higher price will mean they're way cheaper than rivals. I wouldn't make any changes until we see exactly what the price rises are.by jaggs
- And confirmed: https://x.com/deepseek_ai/status/2087864589895798968
Pro's cache hit prices are 12x or 6x higher now depending on time of day.
by petercooper - I guess the low pricing was so DeepSeek could gather training material. The provider on OpenRouter indicates that data can be retained.by cedws
- I'm using oh my pi with Kimi K3 as the planner and DeepSeek Flash 0731 as the implementer, with OpenRouter as the provider.
Any suggestions for a better configuration? I mostly need Opus 4.6 + Claude Code alternative. I don't need Fable level capabilities, I add one new feature at a time and approve the code before shipping it. Then test and open a PR.
Usually both Fable and Opus suggest dumb ideas but are good implementers once I tweak the idea, approve the code, and add unit and production tests.
I'm OK spending max $100/month on APIs, ideally with Zero data retention. I only need a few hours a day of coding. I don't want agents running all the time; I figure I can stay on top to each feature and wrap my head around the product and new suggestions as long as I don't build too much at once.
I'm still on a Claude Max $100 plan, but it's barely usable anymore—one call and I hit 20–30% of the 5h window on Opus 4.8. Opus 5 seems tuned to make messes, and Fable burns tokens for a level of capability I don't actually need.
by Frannky - Maybe dumb question: why don't you switch back to 4.6? I am still using it
- Are you using Kimi w/expectation of ZDR? Their EULA is “we use your data and train on it unless you negotiate something with us privately”by refulgentis
- Honestly, GPT 5.6 Luna is worth a look. It’s a reasonably good implementer at a small fraction of the cost. $100 buys a heck of a lot of it at API pricing.
Not sure about the OAi Pro plan, doesn’t look like the 80% Luna price slash made its way into the quota system.
You could also try tuning down the effort level on Opus. It makes a huge difference in token consumption and you might be able to get away with lower than you’ve set
by yojo - I have the 20x. I really never reach the limit anymore. I am a heavy user. How is that possible?by holoduke
- I'm curious what kind of prompts people are doing to get 'dumb' ideas out of Fableby anentropic
- not related to your question directly, but noticed you mentioned oh-my-pi, can you share little bit more why you went with oh-my-pi and not install your own set of extensions? (asking because I was just looking at it to enhance my workflow, but feeling it has too many things)by throwaw12
- Token Plan Individual for $6/month has Qwen-3.8-max, HappyHorse1.1, Deepseek V4 and GLM-5.2 models.by bazhand