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- Hacker News
- no ai bots
no social engineering
freedom to say whatever you want however you want
by vednig - - No AI bots; agreed
- No social engineering; curious what this means here - you mean no social influencing on any topic?
- For freedom, the world always comes down to the jurisdiction and law of your country. If you violate the law, the platform needs to cut .
by kocial - Like instagram but focused on still photos but with less annoyances like dm scams, text in pictures, sexy selfies, etc.by PaulHoule
- For those, I think someone already tried building them, but eventually it will either end up adding videos soon and becoming Instagram, or a photo marketplace like Pexels, Freepik/Magnific, Unsplash, etc.by kocial
- I've built Cosmos47, which is a public social feed that shows all posts chronologically and there are no likes or upvotes. It's one single feed that appears the same to all users, from all over the world. No algorithm or ranking people by popularity.
All posts are analyzed with AI when posted and each post gets tagged with its language, topics, tone, format, length, location, and other characteristics. Then, readers can then filter the feed themselves (if they wish) to see only specific languages, only posts from people they follow, posts related to specific topics, etc. The idea is that distribution comes from relevance rather than popularity.
It’s still an early experiment. Most of the content currently on the platform is actually AI slop test content that I created to test multilingual feeds, filtering, moderation, embeds, search and indexing.
by boredyeti - Kindness as the default. If it wouldn't fly in a face-to-face conversation, it does not fly on the network.
One thing that keeps HN pleasant is dang's enforcement of good conduct.
by nicbou - Maintaining/Asking for good conduct among educated people
vs
A crowded network of a mix of educated, spammy keyboard warriors is different.
On HN, we mostly have educated people, so with good conduct rules, they all behave well.
On social networks, you see many keyboard warriors and spammy people, where educated people get overshadowed.
by kocial - What would it look like if social media were optimized for flourishing rather then engagement?
Bring your own filter/ranking algorith?
I wonder if there's not a fundamental conflict. Social media is essentially _addictive_ media. The most pro-flourishing move you can make is to disengage from social media.
by cbare - - Bringing your filter is nice; I will add that.
- _ addictive_media: maybe some option you can turn on and off when it is addictive and when it is not, something like that?
by kocial - Interesting thought - but you can measure engagement... how would you measure flourishing?by Garlef
- I think it would need a deeply human touch. It would require a human to connect related threads together, guide people to existing information, and shoo toxic users away. You need to create a culture of kindness and helpfulness, even when we are predisposed to be curt and unpleasant online.by nicbou
- allow me to pay, no more than $2.99/month. don't ever sell my data. don't act "smart" about what I may want to see. allow me to follow and only see content from profiles i follow. if you want content, allow some kind of monetization. something like a revenue share for people who actually invest in creating relevant content for the rest of the group. or a simple tipping system.by yamilg
- Almost all the descriptions have a simple answer: Mastodon :)
However, I think we should come back to IRC it gave us so beautiful moments.
by JaviLopezG - I just need forums, social network can go away.by markus_zhang
- - Hell Yeah, 2000-2010 era :) best.
- Tons of forums coming from PHPBB, vBulletin, mybb etc.,
by kocial - I think the reason it feels that way (I agree) is that forums had real community; I met irl friends in forums, people I stayed close with for many years
The modern day equivalent is probably discord, there are servers with really close communities where everyone knows each other
by mpeg - I do miss the golden age of forums, before centralized general-purpose sites like Digg and Reddit.by mr1337
- Everything posted publicly should have a permanent url that anyone can see.
There should be arbitrary and orthogonal ranking dimensions, that can be created by users at will. You should be able to have your own algorithms to decide what you want to see.
For instance, a post could be funny 0, in US English 1.0, political 0.5, physics 0.0, etc.
Every rating tied back to the person or bot that did the rating.
And of course you can rate the ratings or raters.
Confusing, but soooo powerful
by mikewarot - A business model that does not exploit users, ever.
If you make it one where loss of trust leads to immediate loss of revenue and forces you to take the user side on all matters, well then all features are there to improve and maintain trust.
by rufasterisco - - Not sure how any social network can exploit users apart from filthy ads and spammy traffic.
- But I think a platform like Twitter is already taking great initiative in that under Elon Musk.
by kocial - If it's free, you are the product. Not saying it's not possible, it's just unlikely to happen, unfortunately.by mr1337
- An emphasis on driving users towards IRL socialization, and strengthening geographically local communities.by nicd
- - Yup, local social first, since we lost that in the online game. Doing something similar on qocial.comby kocial
- true social network
- I choose my network
- I never see anything (literally) that isn’t a post from someone in my network - full stop
- post are chronological
that’s it. I have been off all social media platforms since 2017 but would “return” if true social network existed. there isn’t one anymore, the best description of what we have currently are ad networks, there is nothing social about today’s social networks to the point that it really makes no sense that we still refer to them as social
by bdangubic - by neom
- So,
- a closed social network, where you see what you follow.
- posts are usually chronological unless some posts are muted/promoted.
That's a very common thing; many social networks already have:
On Facebook/Twitter, you see what you add/follow.
by kocial