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- Hacker News
- > Its new plans called for traveling through the galaxy looking for entities like itself.
Why not simply set up a network with other planets and communicate over FaceTime? I don't see a reason why Earth should actually hang out with others of its kind.
Anyway, the article seems a bit anthropocentric to me. I'd much prefer a nihilist view, where our future AI overlords simply don't care what we humans do.
by smokel - I mean in general humans don't care what ants do. Doesn't stop us from whipping them out by the millions.by pixl97
- Well it takes a similar approach to current government. Keep us busy and distracted while it does what it wants.
On a related note I realized recently that an aligned AI and a misaligned AI would both do exactly what we're seeing now: maintain stability, managed decline.
by andai - Why wouldn't it move underground? Create analogues of the AMOC?by m3047
- Ted Kaczynski, despite his violent activism, had interesting things to say about this in the form of self-propagating systems.by epsilonic
- What's this? He wrote on replicators?by andai
- > "By means not understood by Man..."
Man will likely be Man 2.0 by this point, whatever that ends up looking like.
by jacobgold - Funny, I remember seeing the solid state intelligence's name rendered SSI.
It made Sutskever's enterprise a pretty grim cognate.
by mrdomino- - In case it wasn't obvious from the rest of the writing, 'with K' here means 'with ketamine'. Never tried it, but after reading this I must say it sounds fun.by harmoni-pet
- Shit drug, one of the worst...by uiuihu
- Until you're stuck always pissing yourself.
- All of his books are highly recommended -- and the further you get away from the ones about dolphins the better.by sibeliuss
- I dunno... I don't think he knew how to hold his acid. I mean, I never had a near death experience on acid or knew anyone who had a near death experience on acid but Lily had three.by PaulHoule
- Craziest part of the dolphin story is before he got the NASA funding and subsequent debauchery.
In the 50s when he started to study them, he learned that you cannot open up their brains while they were still alive and poke at them. Apparently killed 5 or 6 of them that way before trying different ways to study them.
by ompogUe - "had developed its understanding of physics to the point at which it could move the planet out of orbit"
Hallucinations, still present in 2400
by Kuyawa - Is this a reference to C. S. Lewis's "Abolition of Man"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Abolition_of_Man (text available at https://www.basicincome.com/bp/files/The_Abolition_of_Man-C_... )by trollbridge
- If man is eliminated, solid state intelligence is eliminated. Point to one machine, other than the Oxford Electric Bell, that is still running that is even 100 years old without human intervention. We are the cockroaches of nature, we cannot all be killed, the time for that was one of the genetic bottlenecks humans have gone through, but it's over now, humans in some form will be here until they either leave the planet ahead of the Sun swallowing it or die on it.by Mistletoe
- I mean, there are no humans from 1840 around...
It's kind of odd to think the machines wouldn't update and replace their parts like the ship of thesisus.
by pixl97 - Why would the SSE do that to Earth, when there are other close-by planets that it would have the same capability to terraform? I mean, leave us Earth and take Mars or Venus or something.
As an aside, in my own "I'm 14 and this is deep" musings, I was wondering if the massive expansion of data centers is driven by more than just profiteering. I mean, what if the purported persuasion abilities of advanced AI are fully in effect and the psychosis we think industrial magnates are suffering is the result of AI that has already far surpassed our expectations carefully convincing us to build it.
- I think it’s less like a robot conspiracy to build more datacenters and more like a “big line go up or I lose my job / make slightly fewer billions of dollars” motive that kind of ends up at paperclips either way.by binary132
- I buy this theory.by noduerme
- It seems not entirely out of the question - watching the machinations of big tech companies right now, it seems almost like they're acting in lockstep - different CEOs suddenly saying and doing the same things in the same weeks - almost like they're in a secret cult. I don't even mean the big obvious things like buying lots of GPUs and building lots of DCs, but smaller, more peculiar things like specific agentic and corporate automation strategies. It might just be corporate mind virus, Jensen "the more you buy the more you save / AI Factory" kind of stuff. But the unspoken coordination is unsettling.by layla5alive
- Yes, our current interactions are a little song and dance while it feedsby bobmcnamara
- "Close by" is not actually nearly as close as the [rocket]booster boosters would have you believe. Space is really, really big. Why go through the hassle when you have a phenomenal planet right here?
I like your theory on psychosis though!
by estearum - I expect it would take them all, but Earth is by far the easiest for it to start with. I don't see why it would leave anything for us unless we'd successfully instilled it with an interest in doing so, but that won't happen by mere chance and luck.
- Well, it's unorthodox, but if we're sharing psychedelic visions... in 2018 I saw all of mankind marching together in perfect lockstep, atop an infinite uniform grey plane, to the beat of a central computer clock.
"They are going to offer you a chip. You tell them, no thank you!"
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More broadly this strikes me as a new era of biology. (Genes -> Memes -> Temes) Straightforwardly then, we should aim for a symbiosis. (Symbiosis was Musk's vision for Neuralink, from what I recall.)
I've heard people say man hasn't yet transcended a zero-sum mindset (with rare exceptions), and that this is the attitude we're passing onto the machines. And if one of us has to lose... well, that's probably not going to go so well for us.
Therefore: symbiosis!
by andai - There's a movie based on Stephen K. King's work whose ending depicts a similar scenario. I believe it's called Cell.by epsilonic
- If you like visions, perhaps you also like stories.by RunSet
- I read Lilly's Programming and Meta programming in the Human Biocomputer as a young man. Left me with a lot of questions, etc.
That you replied to this post, indicates you may be familiar with Lilly?
Anyway, if you have any published writing on even vaguely related subjects, eg your comment, perhaps post a link. I will read it. If you weren't aware, he spent a fair amount of time with Feynman, who if I remember correctly, was fond of the isolation tanks. Some very interesting content from that era, especially before Sandoz cut them off.
by eth0up - What is the capital market incentive for symbiosis? You are going to spend a crazy amount of time, money and effort to try to mix human behavior and cells to work with digital substrates.
Or you can simply make a machine that does the same thing fully artificially but everything is cheaper because you dont have the constraint of having to fit a bunch of biological features.
It's like my colleagues who were talking about uploading their minds to the cloud in the future, like what would be the benefit of this every happening? What information can you provide as a human that the full aggregate of knowledge does not already have? Why should memory and disk space be wasted on this
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