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- everyone is shipping their in house solutions and they all seem...kinda the same.by natsucks
- yes because they are building things everyone is aware that it needs to be build.
The differentiation, experimentation etc. comes after.
- It's funny because it can also just be recreated yourself extremely easily.
- Right... I've got this at home alreadyby bakies
- My feeling too. The foundation models and harnesses are commoditizing eventually because there's no stickiness nor algorithmic supersecrets.by taoh
- That's what everybody is excited about; being able to write whatever they want. They just say 'Make a clone of Foo' and hey presto! The next step is to share your fabulous creation with the world. Lo, and behold, it looks just like Foo!by esafak
- This is obviously the future, where this will all end up. But just like when I saw the demos for Google's "AI build the interface dynamically", I wonder how much of the demo actually translates to real usage.
One thing that this highlights for me even more than before is that having accounts for my bots is what I really want. I want SaaS providers to catch up to bot use. They need their own accounts on a lot of these services and per-seat pricing works against this.
- We are still early on and already see things like this being created etc.
The big difference probably will be the compute use, the big players will introduce A2A stuff sooner than later, than you don't need to login into any services per webui.
I think we will also see more streamlined things, like verified actions / signed actions, etc.
- A bot driving a browser feels like a workaround for a bot interacting with a server on bot terms, and the web just hasn’t got there yet, but will…by jbs789
- How does per-seat pricing work against bots? If anything it's a great deal because SaaS providers set per-seat pricing with the expectation that on average most seats are idle. Bots working 24x7 can get a lot more value out of a seat than humans working 9-5.by ralph84
- From FAQ: How is Grok Bot different from AI assistants? Bots have their own computer, so they can work inside your apps and tools. They also run in parallel, 24/7, even when your laptop is closed.
How does it work with login-walled sites like LinkedIn then? And what does "own computer" mean? X provisions a "private cloud" a'la Apple for your Bot?
by wiradikusuma - How my bots do it is chrome dev tools or puppeteer or w/e. I've got chrome vnc (for monitoring) and headless X in the container with them. Works pretty flawlessly.by bakies
- dont forget the "Elon-Only Settings" makes it different too https://runtimewire.com/article/grok-bot-s-hidden-elon-only-...by ryanmerket
- It'll ask you to take over its computer to log in:
https://image.non.io/4022ec77-be07-4baa-97e8-ad9d8d9aeb8a.we...
After you do you just tell the bot you're done logging in and it'll keep driving. And yea, it's a separate VM for each bot.
Source: had access for the last few weeks.
by jjcm - The very first thing in their demo shows Grok logging in with the user's username and password to a website, presumably so it can perform actions and the human can get the blame for them. Apparently this is marketing and not terrifying to people.
- So OpenClaw that steals your data and profiles you for the US gov. No thanks.by drop_star
- yeah, it really feels like the economics of AI are going to settle on trust - who do you trust to act on your behalf, because that's where the real value comes in.
and at the same time, it feels like all the AI companies - not just elon - are doing everything they can to burn trust.
by notatoad - A tool that only people who trust Elon can use.by narrator
- I feel like we'd be better off if we just stopped at chatbots...why are we so eager to make the internet even more bottedby dylanhouli
- Yeah I'm a bit baffled too... the world is so, so much worse now because of AI.
More scams/spam, lower quality software everywhere, development is no longer fun, many interactions with coworkers are just "have my people talk to your people" behind the scenes, except it's "have my LLM read the huge document your LLM generated". Every business is trying to cut corners by using AI, so customer service sucks, products suck, prices are optimized to be the absolute maximum people will pay regardless of the actual value being provided (including food)...
- The internet sucks. Yesterday, I had my agent search for openings for The Odyssey that fit my requirements and then book them. It was way better than manually looking at seat maps for 20 different showtimes and going through 10 steps just to buy the tickets.by redox99
- IDK, it's the same problem I had with OpenClaw: I can't think of anything I need done that I want it to do for me.by bandrami
- What about hype posting about how you're automating your life so now you have time for MORE WORK?by BrokenCogs
- The problem these model providers have now is there software is basically useless.
Tell me one reason why I would use this at my company? I basically have to bet on Grok being the best models for this.
Or I can use an open source version and use whatever model I want.
You see this with coding agents, everyone used Claude Code and then realized holy shit this is expensive and now use open source agents and they can use open source models and cut costs.
by impulser_ - > Tell me one reason why I would use this at my company?
I believe the selling point here is these run on their own VMs, so you don't need to set up your own harnesses, models, and security infrastructure to run agents.
Historically people tend to pay for single-click commercial solutions for complex technical set ups like that.
by dmix - One advantage of code over many other use cases is that github is often the source of truth, so whatever is in Claude Code or Codex is ultimately replaceable.
It's for this reason I am bullish on text formats in general. Or maybe sqlite wrappers where databases are necessary. But I want a separation between the worker and the work through some data contract that allows me to easily move my stuff around.
- The eternal fight between bots and anti-bot systems.
The difference now is that big companies themselves promote/offer bots, but they also don't like to be scraped and use captchas.
What do we do now? Is it allowed to use automated tools to interact with any system? Is it allowed to scrape data? Are there any laws for this?
If we do things manually it is ok, but not if we use a bot?
Confusing (legal) times...
by XCSme - > Is it allowed to use automated tools to interact with any system?
I'd hope so, because that's what we're doing right now. Your browser is automatically speaking HTTP for you so that you don't have to.
Am I having a bit of a laugh? Maybe. But really, services should be user-agent agnostic. That's the whole "agent" part of User Agent and the founders of the Internet had incredible foresight to name it this way.
> Is it allowed to scrape data?
You mean, request data and receive what the other server voluntarily transmits?
> Are there any laws for this?
There was a court case that said the above is fine, thankfully, since that's how the internet works. There's probably other cases going on and I'm sure at least one of them will have some unfortunate tech-illiterate result that makes things worse for anyone who understands this stuff.
by akersten - We need more and stronger open source/weight models considering how deeply and intimately these bots are going to be integrated in our lives.
I hope that Dario Amodei fails in his quest to regulate open models out of existence to line his pocket under the guise of safety. Amodei/anthropic will end up being the most harmful force in the next few decades where progress in AI is concerned.
I hope people realize sooner than later that this is a replay of early Microsoft vs open source situation and Amodei is the new Gates on a crusade against open source/Linux.
- Good news is there's Chinese companies doing it outside of US jurisdictionby squibonpig