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- The blog mentions "0.mk's revenue did not cover hosting" but then goes on to implement expensive AI integration. Not counting cost for tokens to do the development.
Also:
> Reply to any 0.mk email and the message lands in a feedback queue the AI reads, triages, and acts on
Is this dangerous? What about jailbreaking AIs and having it delete everyone's account?
by Lord_Zero - > The blog mentions "0.mk's revenue did not cover hosting" but then goes on to implement expensive AI integration.
The article doesn't seem to describe the cost of the AI solution. It does imply that it is lower than the cost of maintaining and supporting their service manually.
by Gormo - When I think of "old web", I always think of "Britney Spears' Guide to Semiconductor Physics". Thankfully, it still lives:by Anon4Now
- This is beautiful Thankyouby dbetteridge
- I think of "Britney's Spheres" which was rather distasteful iirc
Anyway Britney's 1998 debut album predates The Matrix, includes the song Email My Heart and came on "Enhanced CD" with tags and video. How about that
by NopIdoN - What I find really interesting is that people can heavily disagree what and when the old internet was. It may have ended anywhere from 1989 to 2023, brought by the introduction of the www, mass accessibility, social media, or Ai.
For me, this doesn't indicate that those young folks don't know what they are talking about. Rather, that missing the "old web" is more a cultural thing in itself. We got introduced to the web and discovered these communities we became part of, but something changed and our community died.
There had to be a cutoff that changed something! That killed our community. In reality the change, destruction of communities happened all the time. Some survived, some changed that returning to them wouldn't feel the same, some moved. If you don't feel part of that community anymore, it is destroyed, even if someone else thinks it is still alive and just moved to new-forum/teanspeak3/dig/reddit/discord/tumblr/facebook/tiktok/next thing.
The small Ultima online private server I used to be part of died, because a few people moved on with life, even though it was still there for a long time. Not because of WoW. My WoW guild suffered the same fate, despite Wow still being there. Now the few people I became close friends with are still left, wearing the guild name as a server name on discord, but that's a very different community.
Even if the exact people suddenly came back, it wouldn't be my community anymore.
My old web can't come back, because it is not a matter of technology.
I am sure the people that join the web today will lament the death of the old web of today in a decade.
by ketzu - Quite ironic that a link shortener which went offline for a decade or so is now posting about other sites not staying online.
0.mk, you had one job…
by mryall - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigadoon
The plot features two American men who stumble upon Brigadoon, a mysterious Scottish village that appears for only one day every 100 years; one man soon falls in love with a young woman from Brigadoon. The show's song "Almost Like Being in Love" subsequently became a standard. - Webpages dying is probably one of the biggest design flaws of the original web.
I am not saying old content needs to be preserved forever, but so much content has factually been lost over time. Old logs from text-based MUDs for instance, even for MUDs that still exist today.
by shevy-java - > Webpages dying is probably one of the biggest design flaws of the original web.
I'd say it's one of the biggest design flaws of the current web, what with more and more content hidden behind paywalls, increasingly restricted WAFs, and rendered client-side via convoluted JavaScript.
Archiving and mirroring of old-style websites, delivered as static HTML, is simple and straightforward. 20 years from now, most web content from ~1996 to ~2015 will still be accessible, but much of today's web content probably won't.
by Gormo - > Webpages dying is probably one of the biggest design flaws of the original web.
Let me introduce you to the alternatives: print media, film, stone engravings. That stuff tends to get burned and shattered and it takes FOREVER to make copies.
I'm being cheeky but I don't know what design change you could possible make to the web to make webpages not die.
- It's pretty difficult to avoid without very significant tradeoffs, though. The closest is content-addressable peer-to-peer networks, but these still rely on someone keeping the information around, and they struggle to scale anywhere near as much.by rcxdude
- The technology is still in its infancy unfortunately, so there's no way the web could have been based on it, but I think content-addressing is the long-term play. If I click a link, there are some cases where I want the server to respond with a fresh response just for me (e.g. a website showing the weather). But often I just want whatever content was linked to (e.g. a webpage explaining a math content). In the latter case, it would be nice if the link had a hash of the content in it, and 3rd parties could host copies to keep the link working even if the original operator stopped existing.by ChadNauseam
- It's the great irony of digital media. Copying data is accurate to the bit and is preserved "as-is", but in practice, it requires someone to maintain servers, to care about it. To separate out what is worth preserving.
We hot-linked to all those image hosts because we couldn't imagine them disappearing.
Archive.org had incredible foresight and if it didn't already exist, I'd call such a project a pipe dream.
by efskap - Remember the good ol' days when we all thought that everything on the web would exist for eternity and over.by z_rho_one
- I mean, it does usually, just not always in its original location.by Gormo
- It seemed reasonable, because keeping things up on the internet was becoming cheaper. We failed to see that capitalism would even demand payment for such trivial things.by phendrenad2
- And then Yahoo shut down Geocities and fought archivers and then shut down Yahoo Groups and fought archiversby alex1138
- No, that's just embarrassing stuff. That stays on the web forever.by nephihaha
- I remember the naive implication/expectation that a URL would be permanent. That once a file is identified by its URL, you could bookmark it and it would always be there. And absolute worst case, if someone really, really, really had to change a file's URL, they would politely return 301 Moved Permanently, and feel very bad about it.
Now people don't give a shit about URLs. Webmasters casually move files around all the time because they feel like it, and if links get broken, who cares, that's the referring site's problem! Their beautiful file hierarchy is more important than the web staying connected!
by ryandrake - Am I getting old? 09-14 is not even close to the old web for me. The old web, to me, was back when people still published physical 'phone' books for websites.by tokai
- Someone called that the Cretaceous web. The old web was the era before social media sucked everything up (so 2009 wasn't it).by inigyou
- I vaguely recall those, but they were more for normies trying to get online. For me the old web is what I saw when I logged into my university gopher server and saw the advertisement for something called the World Wide Web which I could browse via lynx. Soon enough I got a PPP connection and then Mosaic/Netscape 1.0. However everything after javascript shipped (let alone CSS) is new new new. I'd almost go as far as saying if it doesn't have a tilde in the URL it's not old web... almost...by dasil003
- The old web doesn't necessarily mean the oldest web. 12-17 years ago was very much an older fairly different era of the web that's worth analyzing even if it's on the younger side of the old web. I can definitively sympathize with your reaction though, it doesn't feel like that era was that long ago yet.by rdmuser
- Seriously. 2009 is several years after everyone was already saying “web 2.0”! That is nowhere near the “old web”.by acheron
- I don't know how I missed such a cool redirector back in Web1.0.
The Old Web was, as most people here state, left behind in favor of the Walled Gardens of social media. The barrier to the watering hole was so low. I don't blame technical people for following their friends and family into these places. It kinda sucks that they let their marks on the web fade and expire.
That didn't have to happen. My personal site is going to live on the web as long as I do, and hopefully further if I can manage it. I don't care how much traffic I generate.
by Peacefulz - I would posit that "old web" could be defined as the period before Google Search became public (<~1997).
But maybe that's more a measure of my own age and perceptions rather than an accurate representation of the various eras of the internet/web...
by jperras - That’s the Cretaceous web. I miss it fondly.by binarymax
- Web Design Museum: Search Engines https://www.webdesignmuseum.org/exhibitions/search-engines-i...
- 2009-2014? That's not the old web. Or I'm old. Take your pick.by bradley13