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- OTS and long-covid are remarkably similar
once the body/brain/CNS starts treating cytokines produced by exercise (and illness) as a pathogen instead of doing stress adaptations, you will become perpetually ill and unable to exceed aerobic threshold (or lactate threshold) without PEM
and there's no escape, no amount of rest will cure it, there's no supplement or drug that will reprogram your mitochondria at that point
and right now all research is effectively dead for long-covid, forget OTS which will never happen
by ck2 - I haven’t read OP, but there are enough people in our culture with a monomanaic tendency who only need an obsession to go overboard all unsupervised. So they might start running a little, of course slow to start because they physically can’t take it, but after a point they might not notice that adding more and more activity volume can’t just be done forever just based on your gut, dayfeel, and no pain no gain. Or someone reads about meditation and starts doing hour-long meditations, then soon retreats. Then their mind gets hit with an uncomfortable and disturbing realization while their minds are figuratively in a bad and structurally weak yoga pose. But why didn’t the meditation book warn about this? The meditation book aimed at people who successfully will do it for twenty minutes a day and will have 90% no long-term follow through.by keybored
- I'm not in this space, on either the athlete or the biomedical side - but it sounds like a "more is better" running mindset and mythos is colliding with the biological realities of human bodies which either (1) Were not carefully designed for this kind of duty cycle, or (2) Have accumulated quite a few deleterious mutations in the generations since that design, resulting in frequent operational failures at well below the hoped-for spec.
Might anyone know if indigenous groups such as the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rar%C3%A1muri - where extreme distance running seems part of their traditional culture - have been studied in this regard?
by bell-cot - by nortonb82
- Well, the marathon was inspired by a hero who died from exhaustion after running.by manoDev
- This article was written in 2015. Nowadays most elite ultra-runners do have coaches, and follow data-driven training regimes. This is a trend in all professional (and, to a lesser degree, amateur) sports, but it is definitely quite noticeable in a sport where athletes used to basically be dudes and girls who liked running fast in the mountains and did that a lot. A lot of that data-driven training is aimed at maximizing training load without going into overtraining.
As a result of this and other optimizations (most notably higher carbs consumption during races, but also better heat training, better recovery protocols, better shoes, etc.), races keep getting faster. The article mentions the course record for the WS100 dropping by 50' between 2004 and 2012. Since then, it has dropped by another full hour (13h46 this year).
by yfontana - For those interested in the topic, this book is an amazing and extremely scientific read. Scott was a world cup nordic skier and mountaineer. I am a nobody but got to train with him before my first ultra and it was eye opening. I would upload every workout and if my HR zone was too high he would text me and say "Slow down! I don't care if you're walking at a snails pace."
https://uphillathlete.com/product/training-for-the-uphill-at...
by kyleblarson - Nils van der Poel was* a long distance speed skater who set impressive records and wrote about his training regime. His book is https://www.howtoskate.se/. He trained ambitiously for 3 years, won Olympic gold medals and retired! He followed a very analytically minded path and avoided overtraining.
See also brief overview article about him:
https://runningmagazine.ca/sections/training/olympic-speed-s...
(*) He changed his name since, to a more common name, so using past tense seemed humorously appropriate.
by kzrdude