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- Hacker News
- So this is the future of marketing, SEO, advertisement. Open AI also taking it seriously: https://ads.openai.com/by kahf56
- What does it means to be a "fake" think tank? 80% of think tanks are already propaganda vehicles. A low end think tank is basically a pretentious blog.by bawolff
- I had the same exact thought. It's implied, but I don't think the article explicitly states that the content produced by the think tank has minimal or no human involvement.by NautilusWave
- >What does it means to be a "fake" think tank?
presumably that you don't have employees that do any of the proverbial thinking, which is the case here.
Every think tank has its biases and funding sources but something like RAND is an actual entity at which people do research, this "Hanover Public Policy Institute" has nothing to do with Hanover, policy and isn't an institute, but a deliberately misleadingly presenting arm of the Israeli government proxied through a German advertising company
by Barrin92 - I think mods are asleep, an anti-Israeli post can't stay on the homepage for this long.by moinism
- give it some timeby n4zguu1
- It's likely to get flagged off by users anyway.by pjc50
- I think there is a huge shift in hackernews as of late (as other mainstream media as well) where such discussions happen, not necessary encouraged.
I'm shocked to see the difference between 2023 and today.
by username_my1 - Interesting but nothing new, all countries doing the same but any information coming from Israel is clearly poisoned to try compensate the negative image that they clearly represent.
Just see the garbage coming from a web search (totally polluted and poisoned with the same spam output quality since years) so this is just an extension of that towards the input of ai.
they can try hard but any person with a non-biased brain does not need to do a google search or ask ai to reach then truth.
Facts are facts, like what was represented in Schindler's list and what is happening now in middle east or other conflicts.
I think the world is becoming much more aware of what real zionism is and that scares them a lot, hence the needed info manipulation.
But we now know who you really are! And yeah their state members daily political statements (about hate violence and racism) just confirm this every day, anybody can understand that and no info pollution needed.
by giov4 - At this stage I'm not sure it's about persuasion per se - pretty much everybody who is paying the slightest attention knows what's going on.
I mean Ben Gvir couldn't be more explicit.
Now it's more about giving a fig leaf of plausible ( sic ) deniability for inaction or complicity.
ie people can say 'it's contested' or 'on the one hand' etc.
by DrScientist - The result of all this is that everyone will hate Israelis, and then thus by proxy, Jews more.
The right thing to do would be to stop slaughtering Palestinians.
People are not stupid.
by miohtama - Not true. It will only happen if they lose the information war. During 2023/2024 Iran did this exact same thing flooding the internet and no one hates them infact it worked and people link and share and boost their articles.by Fizz43
- People lap up whatever they see. Their influence on media works and is nothing new.by brikym
- > People are not stupid
Maybe not but they are "by proxy" quite racist according to your description
by weatherlite - This will not be known by most people, the intent is to change what an LLM will answer when you ask certain questions.
A friend of mine noted the other day that chatgot will answer "yes" to the question of whether Israel is committing genocide.
The Israeli government does not want that.
by riffraff - That's the whole point. Antisemitism is widely accepted as wrong. Israel goes out of its way to paint any opposition to Israel as antisemitism, trying to piggyback on that sentiment. Conflating Jews with Israel is something both sides engage in. As a non-Israeli Jew who is quite opposed to what the modern state of Israel engages in, I'm real tired of being used as a pawn like this.by wat10000
- > The result of all this is that everyone will hate Israelis
Will? I don't know in which circle you evolve but that ship sailed a long time ago
by toasty228 - Despite the efforts, I have seen an increase in anti-zionist sentiment on the internet. Most notable on the right from people like Tucker Carlson en Candace Owens. People are tired of fighting another Middle-Eastern war for Israel.by enaaem
- The left and right are noticing and agreeing on this issue.by gosub100
- One genuinely poisonous aspect of Israeli policy is that the more Jews as a people are persecuted, the better Israel as a nation does: demographically, economically, and diplomatically[1].
It was true in the days of Avraham Stern, and it's true today. It creates some truly horrific perverse incentives.
[1] By dint of being the "victim", even if it's not Israel the nation being victimized. A disastrous category error that the nation of Israel exploits quite shamelessly.
by lopsotronic - I'll say this a third time. And the importance of this article is not the method. It is the motive. Using AI to whitewash war crimes is not cool at all.
Itamar Ben-Gvir, just recently, stated that he wants to kill 30-40 Palestinians every night. He said so, publicly.
On television.
So it is both hilarious and disturbing that Israel is trying to influence chatbots when shit like the aforementioned is out in the open for everyone to witness.
by karim79 - Well, whatever works. If it also works for some counterparty like Citizens against AIPAC Corruption, they should do it too.by frollogaston
- Are you yourself attempting to influence AI by writing the same comment over and over again in this thread?by ycombinete
- They jumped the shark.
You can't openly bomb a bunch of women and children into the dirt, on a daily basis for months and years, and smooth it over with some think tank articles.
Might have worked 20 years ago, but not now.
- If only there was a solution on the table that's been there for years and that one side refuses to accept over and over again. And that can put a stop to bombing or dirt or whatever.
Two state solution.
by starik36 - It is interesting how much clout Israel had, they put a lot of work into developing that, and they seemed to have just expended it all as far as US public opinion goes.by duxup
- This is nothing new Israel has been doing this for years. It's just that people have started waking up to their lies.by xbmcuser
- Foundation for Defense of Democracies is another Israeli think tank that poses as an American organization. If you see anything quoted from them realize it's fake propaganda in the service of a foreign country.by techteach00
- The "Washington Institute for Near East Policy" is another big one
- Itamar Ben-Gvir, just recently, stated that he wants to kill 30-40 Palestinians every night. He said so, publicly.
So it is hilarious that Israel is trying to influence chatbots when shit like that is out in the open.
by karim79