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  • I like to see this. I still prefer Fable (marginally) but my last big task was 100% Codex using Sol max (re-sizing my AWS infrastructure using CDK) and it did a very good job. No complaints, I could use this model happily to do what I need to get done.

    If this nudges Anthropic to give me more Fable usage, that's even better.

  • > my last big task was 100% Codex using Sol max (re-sizing my AWS infrastructure using CDK)

    Fwiw, you could do this with any small or medium model, and it's easier with the aws-docs mcp. AWS is pretty stable, well documented, and programmatic, so most AI can figure out what it needs pretty quick

  • This is the opening salvos of an all out token price war.

    With models a commodity at this point there isn’t much leverage for the big labs to keep their pricing anywhere near where it’s at. And that’s at the worst possible time as they need to be dramatically raising prices to have a viable business model.

    Expect pricing to rapidly fall towards the underlying cost of compute and as players get really desperate we’ll likely see inference at less than the cost of compute as the market starts to rationalize and squeeze out weaker players who’s only play left will be to be the cheapest option in town.

    The AI bubble is just waiting for the first player to scream mercy and cut capex as they simply can’t afford to throw more cash on the burning pile. That will be the trigger that implodes this bubble.

  • Price wars did wonders for many businesses, like the bike sharing industry in China.

    Overgrown datacenters or mounds of GPUs dumped into the harbour next ?

  • Well one person can use at most one bicycle at a time.

    One person can use as many GPUs as they want.

  • Mountains of GPUs next to the ET games in the landfill.
  • I would happily buy up a load of datacenter GPU's at deep discount
  • I would in such a scenario expect the GPUs to be dumped to industrial breakers who would send them to China for refurbishment and repackaging before being sold again on Amazon, AliExpress, and Taobao as last gen gaming cards from weird brands and specs.

    This is what happened after the great crypto GPU dumping.

  • Since it's only discounted on the standard "OpenAI," non-ZDR route (old pricing on Azure), I'm guessing a lot of users won't see this benefit? Since a lot of users enable a global "ZDR-only" toggle on OR
  • It would seem that getting lots of data is exactly the reason to discount this.
  • If they can cut the price of Sol by 50% and the price of Luna by 80%, then the original price might have carried a massive operating margin. They might still be serving the models at a profit after these price cuts, but we will never know.
  • I always find it funny that Japanese pensioners are probably subsidizing my tokens.
    by josu
  • I'm pretty sure tokens are priced to maximize revenue, not inference profit.
  • OpenAI didn't cut the price of Sol by 50% like they did with Luna's 80%. Sol was unchanged. This is just a limited promo for OpenRouter non-BYOK.
  • Or they have gotten new asics and can do now inference way cheaper
  • I don’t think there’s a real answer for this. Margin depends on whatever number the accounting department wants to make up.

    Do you include research and training costs? Of all models or only the ones being served? What percent of the R&D budget do you allocate to inference? What about data center capacity? Do you count future commitments? All the circular financing deals? Do you count employee equity grants as costs? At what valuation?

  • I used over a billion tokens per day of gpt-5.6 sol xhigh starting last Wednesday through Sunday before reaching my reset limit. The $200 pro plan is still the best deal.
  • I can’t sign up for that. I tried authorizing Codex a couple days ago. For some reason, their system says my phone number has been used for verification 3 times even though it definitely has not. I’ve had this phone number for over 20 years. OpenAI support is useless. They just keep repeating the policy without actually helping me.
    by jm4
  • A billion tokens per day?? Plausible estimates put the energy use at about 0.001 Wh/token, which means you're using 1000 kWh/day in electricity, just to generate slop. That's about the same as 50-100 houses. 300kg of CO2 per day - roughly the same as flying from London to New York every three days.

    I think on average AI energy usage is not as big a deal as everyone is panicking about, but your usage is truly absurd and I don't know how you can live with that. It's immoral.

  • I’m exclusively using ultra and I run out in 3-4 days consistently. Those resets are great but I’ve noticed they like to cluster them at the start of the cycle, would be better if they spaced them out more.
  • I have mine churning like butter and I'm rarely hitting a billion tokens per day, what's your workflow look like?
  • I am also on the pro $200 plan, the limit is high enough to do what I want for a week, and binge run Ultra Fast last day to use the remaining credits.
  • A billion a day? How many agents are you running?
    by SJMG
  • I spent $800 in a few hours when my sub maxed out because I was trying to get something done and had a long car ride to let it churn.

    Their api pricing is absurdly expensive.

  • I have switched to Chagpt sub now after only using Claude for coding. You get more value for your money and feels like codex has reached Claude code performance in coding (the reason for using Claude) regular plus account allows you to have access to their most powerful model, image generation and asking questions is better because you can use sol but in instant mode and it feels smarter and faster. And finally codex usage limits are better than the Claude daily 5h limit. And codex feels faster although Claude code had more features
  • > codex has reached Claude code performance in coding

    Codex has always beaten claude in coding benchmarks, hasn't it?

  • I switched as I felt Codex was on a par with Opus, but the chat responses from Sol are just more intelligible than the word soup I've been getting from Opus. I wonder if Opus could be prompted to respond in simpler prose via agents.md
  • Where is the official source for this?

    OpenAI's docs still show non-discounted pricing https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/models/gpt-5.6-sol

  • It's discounted if used via OpenRouter, not the official API.
  • Luna saw a huge jump after the price cut and is one of the more competitive models at the new price on openrouter.

    Maybe they want to see how much market they can grab with Sol?

    This might help but there are already cheaper models with Sol's intelligence more or less, the most notable being Grok 4.6 at $6/m which makes it a tougher sell