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- Hacker News
- Ah yes. This was the future they envisioned. Nothing cruel and unusual about this. Because it’s not “punishment” - just incidental assault during the booking process.
> method to gain control of a subject through pain compliance
by whycome - Flagged? This is a story about technology and its effects on society. Get stuffed with this censorship BS.
- Censorship BS? This is being discussed in every social forum in the country. Divisive topics == divisive attitudes, and in exchange for peace some of us are fine with not talking about some shit in some places.
Dang and team are walking a fine line - telling them to get stuffed is inappropriate and illustrative of why this is a problem in the first place.
edit: Ohhhhhhh the /u is donkey_brains; did I take the troll bait? jfc I hate this timeline
by threecheese - This looks pretty similar to those randomly timed electro-stimulation pads attached to the butt that you sometimes see in furry BDSM circles.
- The highest intensity TENS kit used in BDSM won't feel worse than a harsh elastic band snap, and most units produce way less than that.
These gloves are substantially more powerful, so will feel more like being whipped or caned - unbearably intense sharp, stinging pain.
by roryirvine - I always though in order to be able use these gadgets, The user should be required to submit themselves to its use on themselves. That includes stun guns and these hand shock gadgets.by asdefghyk
- That's already common practice in police (and military) training. (For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcVQ_k6d9J0)
It's a little different when it's your buddies testing them out versus torturing a suspect.
by ceejayoz - The Legend of Korra come to lifeby piyh
- I want the police to have a lot of options available to them, to avoid the “everything looks like a nail” problem.
Something about this feels icky though. Maybe because it’s easy to imagine this being misused or abused.
- With a little imagination, anything can be misused and abused.by skeledrew
- This isn't a new problem, and pain compliance isn't a new solution. Abuse is rampant and amounts to torture.by Zigurd
- That's because they are extraordinarily suitable as covert torture devices. When government officials use them to inflict pain, they do not leave physical evidence and the only video evidence from filming the interaction is how long hands were on the detainee.
- > I want the police to have a lot of options available to them, to avoid the “everything looks like a nail” problem.
That was the idea behind tasers - that they'd reduce use of guns.
In reality, they now get used in scenarios where less (or no) force used to be more normal. Why learn de-escalation techniques when you can just shoot a taser?
https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/police-use-force-impact-...
> A critical research question is whether officers can become too reliant on CEDs. During interviews with officers and trainers, the researchers heard comments that hinted at a "lazy cop syndrome." Some officers may turn to a CED too early in an encounter and may rely on a CED rather than on their conflict resolution skills or even on hands-on applications.
by ceejayoz - Setting aside the morality of these vs other force options, these run at $1650/pair if I’m reading it correctly - $66k for 40. Anyone else find it like an insane amount of money for a device that’s so simple?by vlovich123
- Just add “tactical” to any product you make and you can charge 40% extra.by tamimio
- Do these really need to be sold as pairs? I suspect one GLOVE would be adequate?by whycome
- Main question is how many pairs you will ever sell.
Explaining it in terms of software. How much would you charge per copy for software that takes team of 10 to run as business if you sell only say 10 copies, or 100, or even 1000? Quite a lot per copy.
by Ekaros - Feel free to recreate and calibrate and guarantee safe shock levels to offer it cheaper if that fits your moralsby Aachen
- Sounds pretty cheap to me for such a niche product. How many electric glove suppliers (and buyers) do you think there are?by xboxnolifes
- How compatible are these with a super soaker filled with saline? Asking for a friend.by kstrauser
- From afar the US is really sounding quite scary latelyby Havoc
- People get what they voted for.by api
- From anear, too.by kstrauser
- This is nothing new for US
Look up Guantanamo Bay and Abu Gharib
by MYEUHD - Compliant Technologies Glove 4&5 User Manual https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cQ176YYgNl3VXCgLX0ScoihsfXy...by rendx
- “The device is not effective through clothing or hair and can be degraded on individuals and animals that are extremely hairy.”
Black bloc for protesting is going to become more popular.
- Ghandi said you can judge a society by how it treats animals.
And to that we can add "and it's schoolchildren."
by dtagames - Gandhi*by tchalla
- > In one case at a high school, the officer used a glove on a student for "noncompliance." In the other, Cvitanov said, the gloves were used on a student who "was trying to get into the school that shouldn't have been there."
Horrifying life-or-death examples here. I totally understand the use of $1500 shock devices on schoolchildren now, looks like the lives of these officers were on the line and they were forced to use them as a last-ditch effort.
I'm looking forward to the rollout of shock collars for automated dispensing of justice on these evil monsters, such as kids who say 'no' or try to get into their school when the officer doesn't want them to. Wouldn't want the cops to put themselves in danger by approaching these future violent criminals.
Remember - these examples were probably selected as the best at showing why these gloves are so necessary. They're putting their best foot forward here.
by tavavex