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- On the bright side, I'll know immediately a post is Claude-generated. If the author didn't bother writing it, I don't bother reading it.
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by wiradikusuma - I mean, don't other people bail out of stuff that in slop style?by stuaxo
- This is where the concern-trolls barge in with "what about non native English speakers using AI to blogslop everything is actually a good tool!"by reddozen
- whats troubling here is that one of the anthropic devs on twitter or github don't seem to acknowledge this issue, If they don't acknowledge there's nothing for them to fix
- There are many different ways to make an LLM sound more human-like (the author has actually explicitly mentioned ChatGPT sounds more natural). For their public announcements etc. they might as well used specially trained small 24-32B creative writing model or put a LoRA on top of their Haiku. One could also use "antislop" samplers, maybe some encoder-decoder unslopping postprocessing small models etc. Or they simply may have been written by humans.by BoredomIsFun
- Why would they use Haiku for anything? They aren't paying for the tokens.by StilesCrisis
- > or put a LoRA on top of their Haiku
Are there any creative-writing LORAs published for open-weight models?
by swiftcoder - I do really enjoy the style of their blogposts, they remind me of the Cloudflare postmortems. Wish their models could produce it.
Not sure I agree about e.g. GPT not sounding this formulaic though, imo it definitely does.
I don't actually have a problem with the common terms Claude emits, I think they're appropriate for a coding agent. But I do find them overused.
by perching_aix - I don't see why Anthropic would be expected to publish default Claude voice or use Claude for their public writing. No matter how great AI is, it doesn't commit you to using it for everything.
And they probably know basic LLM tricks like "write it in the style of X".
When you read a blog post with Claude voice, you're seeing the result of someone who couldn't even be bothered to do that which is why they deserve extra lashings.
by hombre_fatal - > And they probably know basic LLM tricks like "write it in the style of X".
You can probably get it to do a surface-level impression of Mark Twain that way, but from what I've heard, it's not that easy to prompt Claude out of the "voice" described in the article for technical writing, and all existing methods, like asking it to ELI5 or tropes.fyi, only have partial success.
by rossy - I've spent my spare time in the last _days_ rewriting a pretty small document made in collaboration with Fable. It was reluctant to simplify the proposed design. And the language is so dense - it's almost poetic in nature and concision, but I wanted a clear discourse about a complex topic with people whose native language is not English.
It's an interesting model/tool. Powerful but still chock full of trade-offs. I hope the next model's language is more like e.g. OpenAI models in terms of language use. (oh, and the code comments, yikes).
by andyferris - > wanted a clear discourse about a complex topic with people whose native language is not English.
Did you try specifically telling it that? I haven't used Fable but I do write lots of docs for a non native audience and I get good results from stating that.
by esperent - Claude Code's creative use of language in an engineering context is often quite infuriating. I want language to be as simple as possible, it should be accessible and require as little context as possible. Below are a few examples that Code wrote that I encountered in my own work (related to signal processing):
"excursion" (means: a spike/jump — a value that rises or deviates from baseline, just say spike or outlier)
"legitimate majority-normal baseline" (means: a real majority of normal pixels)
"matched pool of pure-noise ('normal') pixels" (means: the same number of normal pixels, don't bring pools into this)
"ablation" (means: comparing before vs. after — turning a thing on/off to see what changes)
I actually used Claude Code to try and find examples like these but not entirely unexpectedly it had a very hard time detecting these, even though I encounter them like every other sentence. I can imagine this style is great when writing prose, not so much when writing documentation.
Similarly, I tried using Claude Design to make some slides, and the individual slides were fine, but just about every other slide it used different words to denote the same concept, which I would say is the fastest way to lose your audience.
- Ive given up trying to fight claudes language, and Im afraid Im getting used to it and can even understand what claude is saying faster or should I say I can parse it faster now.
- gate= some sort of a guard or test
name= a variable name or fields
load bearing= coupled dependencies that can break other things if you change it
- Other than the specific phrases like load-bearing etc, I find the biggest tell of all just to be repetition.
Every damn Claude article does the “tell ‘em what you’re going to tell ‘em, tell ‘em, tell ‘em what you told ‘em” routine.
by JSR_FDED - Stiff, repetive style is often a result of very small, less than 0.5 sampling temperature, very small top-k, very high min-p etc. Most of "normies" (wrt to /r/localllama and /r/sillytavernai) never tweak the samplers.by BoredomIsFun
- Same reason the tech execs kids aren't using the tools created by their parentsby toasty228
- Related:
Silicon Valley Executives Are Tech Fans. Just Not for Their Kids
- You think Tim Cook's kids don't use iPhones? Or that Larry Ellison's kids don't use Oracle Financial Services Adaptive Intelligence Foundation for Anti Money Laundering Application?by stavros
- Anthropic's guide for job applicants on how you should use Claude when applying for a job there is relevant here: https://www.anthropic.com/candidate-ai-guidanceby simonw
- I’ve read the link, but I don’t get how it’s relevant to the OP’s point that Anthropic public communications don’t sound like Claude. Can you enlighten me?by JSR_FDED
- I find the language of "collaborating with Claude" off-putting. I don't collaborate with Claude, I use Claude. It's a tool in my hands, not a colleague or a friend.
- Anthropic's public writing style is very different from Claude's because it's written by humans. Even in their job ads they ask candidates to not use AI for any writing (or at least they used to).by salvozappa
- The first rule of drug dealers: Don't use your own drug!by a34729t
- Yes. AIs are a lot better at coding than they are at writing. I author less than 1% of the code I push these days, but still write the grand majority of emails and posts. Probably I would do it 100% human if it was high stakes and I expected it to be read by millions.by mbac32768
- Makes sense. Steve jobs didn't let his kid touch apple devices.by hirako2000