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  • I wonder if the NCD metric says something about distillation too. Would you expect that a model that has been distilled/seen traces from other models would have a smaller NCD? It would be really interesting to see if this holds up and provides evidence of distillation or certainly evidence of model outputs being used in the training mix.
    by tadkar
  • Yes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49446422
    by AndrewDucker
  • My bet: it's Google running a "new" model based on GLM
    by pijalu
  • It is probably from Google and is probably hosted on Vertex AI. Opencode announced that responses from Ox Alpha should be better and soon posted about Vertex eu and us multi region update in their changelog. I could be a Gemini model or a new one based on GLM based on tokenizer. Also the amount of inference it is providing for free is something only google can support with its TPUs. So maybe a GLM based model running on TPUs.
    by troysk
  • As someone who uses NCD nearly every day, I have concerns about how it’s been used here.

    But while we’re “guessing”: Xiaomi MiMO

    by jerrythegerbil
  • If it’s not zhipu then why is it returning errors that zhipu does for other models? Who else would return the exact same errors even if they took a lot of core infra like tokenizer from z?
    by gvkhna
  • GLM 5.3 and all previous models don't have a vision encoder and can only accept text. Ox-Alpha can accept video and images, so unless Z-ai added a pretty good vision encoder for this model, I don't think so.

    My money is on Moonshot and this being Kimi K3.5. The measured tps and latency is in-line with K3's tps and latency from Moonshot.

    MiniMax M3.5 is also possible (but the MiniiMax provider is a lot more performant than the lab behind ox-alpha, so less likely).

    by volf_
  • Ox Alpha is almost certainly a model by Z.ai.

    https://files.catbox.moe/k52n6k.png

    The upper chart shows the availability of Ox Alpha and the lower chart shows the availability of GLM 5.3 by Z.ai. They had a blip at exactly the same time.

    by johndough

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