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- how feasible is it build a SOTA specialized model for some use case e.g. deal sourcing by using this as pre-trained model or a LORA or similar pattern on top? Gonna shoot my shot at a billion dollar businessby pal9000i
- yes would also be interested in that - using knowledge distillation and other special knowledge sources to post-train on top of an open model like GLM-5.3. I was wondering that when Elon Musk tweeted "Specialist AI’s (single language, single area of knowledge) are another 100X" (src: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2089968914596045178) - maybe he knows something regarding specialist model training the general public does not know?by dsrtslnd23
- Not feasible. We’ve seen again and again that generalized models—somewhat surprisingly—dunk on specialized ones in almost all cases.
The first case of this I remember was Bloomberg thinking that their extensive private data about markets would give a home-trained model better performance in finance tasks. The next version of ChatGPT beat them.
With how often new versions of frontier models are released, you likely won’t finish your work before it’s obsolete. The labs have whole teams dedicated to specific getting training data for specific industries (finance is one), and more powerful generalized models make better decisions even without specialized knowledge.
Your best bet is to get really good at training for something and then sell your company to one of the frontier labs for their post-training efforts.
by tyre - Does this mean it'll be on Bedrock soon? I hear great things about this model but I want AWS data handling practices...by kixiQu
- What data handling practices exactly? If it's about privacy there is TensorX.ai, which claim to host in Europe and be GDPR compliantby _ink_
- I doubt it - AWS hasn't added any non-western models since GLM 5 and MiniMax M2.5 in February, afaik. Might be a deal with OpenAI (GPT 5.4 was the first to be available via Bedrock, in April) or might just be that there isn't a lot of demand due to corporate skittishness around models trained in China.
- Man, imagine if we didn't have China.
- Its more about "man, imagine if we didnt have competition", which is what the us is trying to eliminate by soon labeling all openweight llms as dangerous and illegal.by MaxikCZ
- GLM-5.3-Flash is actually cheaper than deepseek and better than deepseek but no one is talking about yet :)by m00dy
- It’s cheaper sure, but it’s very slow. It’s not a drop in replacementby _aavaa_
- It is a slow for me through z.ai; it does not feel 'flash' at all. But then neither did the new DS Flash. I think they were getting hammered.by esafak
- I've been using it quite a bit too. My main complaint is that it can be really slow sometimes — like, really slow — and the speed feels pretty inconsistent.by JoeLee1991
- Not in my experience. Tasks that would normally cost $0.08 on DSV4-Flash have cost me $0.30+ on GLM-5.3-Flash. These costs are after Deepseek's recent increase. Also GLM-5.3-Flash is so slow compared to DSV4-Flash. I would be fine with GLM-5.3-Flash if it was cheaper and at the same speed as DSV4.
I use DSV4-Flash on Max through Deepseek's API. I have been using GLM-5.3-Flash on High through Openrouter which I thought had a 50% discount. I must be doing something wrong for the costs to be off this much.
by dw_arthur - It's actually slightly more expensive ($0.50 vs $0.48), but there's a temporary 50% discount.
I've seen dozens of conversations about it in last 24 hours, and every major inference provided added in first 24 hours. I think it's gaining plenty of traction.
by scosman - h/t to DeepInfra for being the first 3rd party provider for it on OpenRouter (https://openrouter.ai/z-ai/glm-5.3?endpoint=b711bea7-3994-49...).by fra
- It's also now live on Ollama Cloud as of a couple minutes ago
- on my TrustedRouter:
z-ai/glm-5.3: also Z.ai, Novita, Atlas Cloud, IO.NET
by ljlolel - DeepInfra has excellent terms of service too!
- their cache hit rate is 67%. In comparison the provider with the highest hit rate is at 95%.
- Have you guys been having a good experience with OpenRouter? I tried it out recently with Claude, and it cached no tokens, charging me $200 for one conversation of 11 messages.by stavros
- Stealth Ox-Alpha was GLM-5.3-Flash, and Ox-Alpha was a strong coder (way better than DS4Flash). With both GLM 5.3 and GLM 5.3 Flash, I don't think I'll need any better coding models. The main thing I need now is faster, not better.by 0xbadcafebee
- Yes I really don’t a reason to not switch all my team to use GLM 5.3 for planning, and Flash for implementation. This really does seem apocalyptic for Anthropic and OAI if more of the industry switches.by btheunissen
- I find GLM 5.3 Flash more interesting than 5.3. The fact 5.3 does not have vision is kind of a deal breaker. Also 5.3 Flash seems to be better at making pretty UIs.by redox99
- What's very promising here is the number of tokens-vs-accuracy ratio. I am assuming their "output tokens" means tokens generated as part of thinking and any tool calls (what are referred to as "input tokens" from billing PoV by service providers). The Chinese models like Qwen3.8 and GLM 5.2 are insanely overthinking in our workloads (which are highly complex data analysis tasks). It's a factor of 3-4x over Opus and GPT models. Even with cheaper prices per 1M tokens, the cost ends up being higher, in some cases 2x. So this is very promising from GLM 5.3. Looking forward to trying it.by armcat
- I've been using it more and more. Feels like Opus 4.8, in the best possible way.by scosman
- Can you give ant more details how you are you using it? Which harness / service / what you’re building with it etc?by jonplackett
- > in the best possible way
You implying its better than opus 5?
by MaxikCZ - I have been only using GLM models since last December and have had the best experience without any drama about tokens and geopolitical restrictions. The quality has been great and I am doing more and more with the latest 5.3 and am really excited that consumer hardware will develop in the next few years where I can run these at home.by mlnj
- Do you use it to write HTML/CSS? Javascript? C++? There's a huge difference in ways people use models and if you are not specific about it then your comment means nothing, unfortunately.by amelius
- I really like how it doesn't have that Claude talk. It just does the thing without Claude's "load-bearing honesty." It's probably my favorite model to interact with, even if it isn't the best or most reliable.