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  • I'm guessing this is why the pixel 8-10 models have been in such high demand recently
    by ahmadtbk
  • I have a pipe dream that Apple will pull a 180 and offer support for GrapheneOS.
    by CircuitSeuss
  • If the sky falls, we shall catch larks.
    by Cider9986
  • Lol, I'm very curious what's in that pipe. It must be some exceedingly hallucinagenic stuff.
    by fooqux
  • https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/41564-pixel-11-doesnt-meet-...
    by Cider9986
  • Good riddance to Google. I'm happy GOS is no longer dependent on their hardware.

    My concern is that Motorola is a Chinese company. Sure, Pixel and Apple phones are made in China too, but they're overseen by American companies. How can we know these Motorola phones will not one day be placed on the "do not trust" list like e.g. Huawei phones?

    by dreamcompiler
  • You should buy one before that happens then. Maybe buy several. Or get a proxy in Europe to smuggle them for you.
    by inigyou
  • placed on the do not trust list?? who places them on this list? and why do you listen to the people who place them there.
    by dackdel
  • Gor Huawei the main thing was that they didn't have access to Google services, so would graphene users care?
    by kelvinjps10
  • Can someone from AOSP/Pixel hardware security shed some light? This is strange timing, especially when the approach has been validated by Apple also.
    by ysnp
  • Probably just that Google doesn't use it so why pay for it? They're not obligated to support whatever GrapheneOS wants.
    by inigyou
  • Fediverse link: https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/117179231167297908
    by neilv
  • It's funny how much Google lies about Android being 'secure' [1] and how much GrapheneOS, for free, improves the security of everyone with their work. Google should be, immediately, merging all patches/changes GrapheneOS makes and releasing a new build of Android to AOSP. Instead, users are subject to weak efforts to protect their security and privacy while Google parade about how good and amazing they are. They mention [1] 'This unencrypted data can be used to build user profiles or, in the hands of malicious actors'...And can't see the irony. They ARE the malicious actor and they absolutely build profiles about everyone. Whatever happened to the 'privacy sandbox' initiative again?

    Anyone who values Graphene's work will purchase one of their Motorola devices, whatever the cost, otherwise it seems your choices are going to be giving up more data and control to Google, because they are clearly, obviously and systematically trying to remove GOS from Pixels (lack of source code, removing hardware features, making it purposely difficult to support pixels).

    I predict by 2030 GrapheneOS will not support any new pixels entirely. The existing pixels will eventually die off and that will be that.

    [1]: https://blog.google/security/new-android-network-security-pr...

    by aboringusername
  • They see the irony, they know the irony, they know their money comes from that irony being ignored so they will never lampshade it.
    by inigyou
  • Can GOS continue to support existing pixels if AOSP drops support for them I wonder?

    But it's easy to say 'whatever the cost' if you're wealthy :) For many people especially outside the US it's not that simple.

    by wolvoleo
  • > Anyone who values Graphene's work will purchase one of their Motorola devices, whatever the cost

    Well the current Motorola Signature (2026) is 3 times the price of a Pixel. Not everyone can afford "whatever the cost".

    I hope Motorola will just get more and more phones to support GrapheneOS.

    by palata
  • Lost any remaining respect for Pixel with the decisions they've made for Pixel 11. The product design and hardware teams have both tried to one up each other and who can deliver the bigger pile of steaming crap.
    by xizst94
  • They also say that the Pixel 11 is a very very tiny improvement wrt the Pixel 10, with less RAM and more expensive.

    So basically they say don't buy it, wait for the Motorola phones.

    by bestouff
  • They have their reasons. Pixels are only getting worse and worse after the 9
    by Limit5332
  • Pixel 11 has an incremental upgrade to the CPU, the same underpowered GPU and less RAM for the base Pro models. It has a new major version of the secure element (Titan M3) which likely greatly improves Before First Unlock state security for users without a strong passphrase. It has a better radio from a performance and efficiency perspective but it's still a more than yearly generation behind Qualcomm. The cellular radio firmware is also likely a security downgrade but the userspace code is more secure due to moving to AOSP IMS code. If these devices hadn't removed MTE, then they would have been a sidegrade with marginally better security. Removing MTE ruins these devices for GrapheneOS. We could still support the Pixel 11 series but it would be greatly rolling back overall security to before the Pixel 8. It does at least have PAC and BTI but MTE was the main improvement with the Pixel 8 rather than those.
    by grapheneos
  • What, MTE is such a promising tech and for security and now that we need all security we can get. WTF this is terrible development. You cant go backwards when the world needs getting even more secure.
    by perarneng
  • This isn't terrible development, it's simply that GrapheneOS devs can't do miracles They can't just continue supporting phones if they have security downgrades, especially if it's an important feature.
    by Limit5332
  • I don't understand much from MTE/Android or MIE/iOS but the explanation is also confusing when:

    - They claim Apple did a great job integrating MIE in iOS - iOS doesn't encourage to opt into MTE ... Apple's docs warn developers of performance and stability issues

    So it seems like even for iOS, this special security feature is only available for Apple own iOS app (at most?).

    Then also:

    > Even Signal doesn't opt-in. Our approach enables forcing using MTE in the standard allocators regardless.

    So does that mean that Signal and any other apps are enrolled in MTE on Graphene?

    by WinstonSmith84
  • Such a shame. Google themselves barely utilised it in their stock builds. I wonder if there is some silicon or development overhead they decided to cut.

    I'm optimistic about the Motorola partnership and when my 9 Pro is EOL I'll definitely look at how that's played out.

    by prism56
  • "Pixel 11 series is a lot more expensive for an incremental improvement to the CPU, the same underpowered GPU and reduced RAM for the Pro base models. They finally caught up to the last generation of Qualcomm cellular radio. It's overpriced, the upgrades aren't impressive and losing MTE is appalling."

    I guess that's a thumbs down then?

    by newsomix9xl
  • Feeling like my Pixel 9 Pro was the best timed hardware buy I've made in recent years.

    The 10 dropped the physical SIM slot and Google started with their device tree shenanigans that year, with little to no improvements in exchange.

    I've got 16GB of RAM and 512GB in an ecosystem that shows every sign of regressing in capacities due to component price inflation.

    Very interested to see what Motorola does next year, however.

    by Pfhortune
  • The ironic thing is, the tagline for the Pixel 11 is "Ask more of your phone"
    by avipars
  • Concur. I purchased the 9 pro fold specifically for the mutli physical/ esim and profile features to compartmentalize tools. Solid construction and material. Runs a lil hot but I push it. Its also through Above phone so a few extra bells and whistles.
    by glitchbot
  • > The 10 dropped the physical SIM slot

    Not sure about the 10, but at least the 10 Pro still has one.

    by codethief
  • "The 10 dropped the physical SIM slot"

    I'm assuming that's a country specific/dependent thing?

    (My pixel 10 does have a physical sim slot).

    by gertrunde