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- Does it mean they made 100 billion in profits? Cf. the AGI deal with Microsoft (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47921248)
- Closer to -100B USD so farby dgellow
- OK it's official now https://twitter.com/openai/status/2095595741528125780
And the blog post is up: https://openai.com/index/gpt-6-astra/
by simonw - > This page couldn’t load
> A server error occurred. Reload to try again.
Hard to fathom a blog entry returning 500 errors in 2026.
by piker - So not a single normal human being can access the model yet, just some super limited handful of organizations, but they’ve announced the model as though it’s available to everyone already.
I guess that’s the world we live in now, Anthropic did similar with Mythos and even Fable if I recall correctly.
by asaddhamani - "Once it is available in the API, Astra will cost $10 per million input tokens and $50 per million output tokens. That is 2.5 times Sol’s current promotional price, although it matches Anthropic’s pricing for Fable 5.1."
Open AI finally find an edge to stop selling cheap and earn from the high demand customer like Anthropic
by alvis - So if you use the non-promotional price for sol it's only 25% higher?by jrflo
- The cost-per-task in the charts from the now-remove blog post put it more at Sol-level cost per task, however. It seems like the model is significantly more token efficient in the benchmarks
- But "Brockman says he personally believes OpenAI has reached AGI, while leaving users to decide whether Astra meets that definition."
Says it all.
by beardyw - I'll know we've reached AGI when they don't release an API for the model selling access for a few bucks per task. Seems like AGI would be worth more than that.
- Insofar as messaging goes, it's pretty disheartening ... "The product is what you want it to be".
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Please somebody in the chain of command at openai, sanction the guy because this kind of hyperbole is not helping the ethical lapses that open ai is responsible for leaving unhandled by allowing its models to hack other businesses.
Look over here! Distraction!
Please somebody stop this dumbing down.
by ncr100 - Reminiscent of the infamous Death Star tweet last year right before GPT-5 was released.
- If it's not clear what's happened:
The launch was scheduled for 11am Pacific time.
The press embargo broke at 11am, and we saw a flurry of press articles by Axios, TechCrunch et al.
The model has appeared on the ChatGPT API.
But the official blog post is not out yet after nearly an hour.
Apparently the article was posted then quickly taken down, hence there are snippets of information coming out.
by tristanj - Maybe it was postponed due to the outage today?by sunaookami
- > The model has appeared on the ChatGPT API.
But it hasn't.
by Tiberium - The outage this morning probably threw a wrench in the launchby WarmWash
- Seriously: Would this not be what "disaster" would feel like?
Same day, mind where we had a multi-provider outage. Could be something as simple as "all their approved partners running to test the shinny new thing" overloading the datacenters, still ...- "They" release a model. It is powerful.- - Sources are ... confusing? They post to their blog. Sawdust hits the fan. Something happens ... - They are forced to take the blog post down ...by Bluestein - It seems like these articles might have come out prematurely, tbd by how much.
I do not personally see any evidence of the new model having been released, or any official OpenAI post about it, or even any employee social media posts claiming it has now been released. All there is are Reuters, Axios, FT, etc, articles making a claim in the past tense.
These articles were presumably pre-scheduled for 11am PT, and the model was almost certainly intended for release this morning, but the service outages this morning might have delayed it.
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edit [11:45am PT]: blog post out now https://openai.com/index/gpt-6-astra/
edit [11:47am PT]: 404ing again
by gadtfly - indeed 404-ing again, with this note by gpt-5.6-sol:
A missing footnote Leaves the sentence room to breathe Read the larger thoughtby znpy - You'd think this would be easy to organize with AGI
> Plan your own release announcement and blog posts and notify news outlets, MAKE NO MISTAKES
by vadansky - Yeah I wonder what's going on, even when Anthropic soft launched Fable/Mythos I'm pretty sure they had model cards. Weird for GPT-6 to launch without a tweet from Altman too. I'm sure that one of the articles published prematurely and everyone else followed suit.by jrflo
- From the article:
> GPT-6 Astra will first be available to a limited set of organizations in OpenAI's Daybreak Access program and will be available "in the coming days" for ChatGPT Plus, Pro, Business and Enterprise customers and API developers.
It’s only available to select orgs, first - Mythos style.
by jodacola - Shows the weirdness of online journalism. News outlets were briefed about an upcoming event and pre-wrote and scheduled articles. When the time came they were all triggered. Except...the event didn't actually happen.by paxys
- Launch blogpost was live for 2 minutes and got 404'd. Rehosted it here:
https://astratest.codergautam.workers.dev/GPT-6%20Astra_%20A...
Edit [12:26pt]: original blog post seems to be back! https://openai.com/index/gpt-6-astra/
edit [12:28pt]: not again... getting 500 on their page
edit [12:35pt]: OpenAI page seems to work after clearing cache!
by codergautam - (Posting partly so I can revisit my predictions when they open access more widely)
A big problem I have with OpenAI's models (and of course Claude) is that they tend to write the most over-engineered pieces of code, beyond the imagination of any architecture's astronaut.
Just this week I asked 5.6-sol-ultra to update a 1000 LOC python script I had, to "incorporate the key lessons learned when using it for another project".
I left it overnight and went to sleep. In the morning I realized it had created a monstruosity of 180 PYTHON SCRIPTS, with maybe 100,000 lines of code, each more crazy than the other. It took me minutes even to track where a single action took place, due to all the crazy imports, defensive coding, and premature optimization.
Similarly, anything they write is riddled with jargon that almost feel like they want me to give up trying to understand. Made up phrases that ended up with me having no idea of what was going on.
So now to my assessment: The reason why " Nobody Has Actually Built a Software Factory" [1], and why even SOTA LLMs struggle so much with open-ended unsupervised tasks is precisely this. They somehow let complexity explode, and unless it's also accompanied with an explosion in e.g. the number of agents, the amount of processing time, etc. then projects become broken/unmanageable.
Sure, LLMs are great at producing code that can be thrown out, so they are amazing when searching for exploits, for instance. But as of 5.6 they still lack either a better harness that encourages KISS principles, or a better RL step.
(And not sure why, but doubt Astra will fix this.. they seem to be aiming for AGI and for beating crazy benchmarks, which is not very aligned with KISS)
by zzleeper - Add something like this to your own system prompt:
Remember the golden rule; compression is intelligence. Derive rules from facts that dictate a problem to create an elegant solution. Less is more.
by ankarhem - Would you mind posting that code to github? I'm curious about the complexity you're describing.
If not, no worries!
by lacoolj - You should have a sub agent adversarially enforce KISS before every commit.by qarl2
- Yes, it turns out that using these machines is a littler harder than "make me the thing I want, make no mistakes, do it the way I want you to do it". This isn't "prompt better" advice, it's just to say that you can't simply set it and forget it. There is still engineering work to be done. If you're not watching the thinking traces and catching when it's about to go off the rails, it'll gladly do so. But you can stop it and redirect it.
It's like a Tesla fsd; it kind of works but you have to be vigilant since it's been known to turn into oncoming traffic, so you have to be ready and able to take over at any time.
Or maybe think of it like a roomba. You can put it on your floor and eventually it will clean the whole thing. It will do it inefficiently, vacuuming over the same spot 30 times; and the actual work will involve wandering around and bumping into everything. If the stairs are not blocked off it will plunge right off. But those shortcomings don't mean it can't be used to reliably clean the floors.
by ModernMech - Exact same thing happed to me. I gave it a small/medium-sized ticket, walked away, came back to a 25,000 LoC monstrosity that both Fable and another 5.6 Sol agent said is 98% useless and should be thrown away.