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  • @dang @tomhow can you please de-flag?

    Also can you please check whether articles about Tesla with FSD or Autopilot tend to get flagged a lot? It seems so to me but I can't tell for sure.

    by YeGoblynQueenne
  • Do you know how humans run stop lights and kill people, how does it compare?
    by thewanderer1983
  • > Reading a stop sign and deciding whether to stop is a City-Streets function, and that’s FSD. Basic Autopilot is built as a highway lane-keeping system, and it does not respond to stop signs. So a driver-assist car verified engaged as it ran a stop sign was, most likely, running FSD.

    I don't understand this part. My understanding is the basic Autopilot is very similar to the what on other cars would be adaptive cruise control plus lane finding/lane keeping.

    If so, isn't the expected behavior that if you do not manually intervene at stop lights and stop signs it will remain engaged and drive right on through?

    by tzs
  • I can't help but think we need a more extensive "Flight Data Recorder" sort of object for, at least, self-driving cars if not all of them. Event Data Recorder's are coming and mandated for 2021+ but I think they need to go further, IMO. Police in my area already do not bother responding, and insurance just does 50/50 unless theirs dash cams. Why not just make them integrated and mandatory along with other telemetry?
    by maerF0x0
  • Tesla now has ~40 level 4 automated taxis in operation with no pedals or steering wheel. When these have an accident they can't blame a non-existent driver for mashing a non-existent accelerator pedal. And they are their own insurance company. A few fatalities in the Cybercab could squelch the whole rollout, even if the stats show it's safer than human drivers.

    As a human driver with declining capabilities who will need level 4 autopilot before long to stay independent, I'm rooting for FSD.

    by delichon
  • This part is wild to me:

        > Subject vehicle (Tesla) pre-crash speed: 4 mph
    If true, how could the driver of the other car have been killed?
    by throwaway2037
  • I don't know anything about this specific case but this exact thing will be a major barrier for autonomous vehicles to overcome. Instead of benchmarking AVs against the current, human-caused number of vehicular deaths - people will naturally benchmark AVs to 0 and treat every instance of death as a failure of AVs, even if the reality is that AVs end up 99% safer than human controlled vehicles.
    by rco8786
  • > Reading a stop sign and deciding whether to stop is a City-Streets function, and that’s FSD. Basic Autopilot is built as a highway lane-keeping system, and it does not respond to stop signs. So a driver-assist car verified engaged as it ran a stop sign was, most likely, running FSD.

    This just isn't true, "Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control" is a feature of basic autopilot on Model 3s.

    https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/2017_2023_model3/en_eu/GU...

    by popularonion

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