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  • I like roundabouts over lights at small intersections. I still prefer simple give way/stop that changes the next intersection over roundabouts.

    Lights suck unless there’s sufficient traffic.

  • I feel like the author would appreciate Milton Keynes, which is an entire city of 180 roundabouts on a grid system:

    https://lostcolonials.wordpress.com/2015/09/20/milton-keynes...

    Fun for drifting late at night. Like a chav version of tōge from Initial D.

  • [edit: for clarity, I am not against roundabouts]

    I don't have real expertise in civil engineering

    Traffic lights have a smaller physical footprint and require less construction activity.

    Traffic lights fit on a cost spectrum from two stop sighs, to four stop signs, to stop signs plus blinking lights, to non-trivial signaling.

    First make it work. Then make it good. Then make it fast.

    Engineering is not a one size fits all discipline.

    [edit: I have a background in urban planning, architecture, and real-estate development]

  • > Roundabouts come with this otherwise unused patch of land in the middle. Apparently, it has become common practice around the world to put some random art there, or a little green space, or a fountain, or a "welcome to this town" sign.

    Or a dog: <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roundabout_dog&ol...>

  • This led me down somewhat of a rabbit hole looking at roundabouts, then to the official roundabout page from the Department of Transportation, where I couldn't believe my eyes to see that National Roundabout Week is next week: https://highways.dot.gov/safety/intersection-safety/nrw
  • I enjoyed driving around Lanzarote in the Canary Islands because you'd occasionally see roundabouts with wind-driven sculptures by César Manrique - e.g. https://maps.app.goo.gl/mzK8by7shYJ2yvYC9 - an artist who lived there.

    His house, built into the volcanic rock, was beautiful too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A9sar_Manrique#/media/Fil...

  • The city I grew up in had no roundabouts back then. Today it does have some, some were even made and removed again since. People there hate roundabouts.

    The city I live nearby now has so many roundabouts that I can drive for over an hour without seeing a traffic light. It always had those, people are used to using them.

    Guess what works better and barely has any traffic issues at all.

  • My best friend is a highly experienced civil engineer, specialized in designing intersections. His take on roundabouts:

    - They are adored by urban planners because they look nice and you can put a statue or fountain in the middle

    - They reduce T-bone collisions

    However:

    - Small fender benders and sideswipes are much more frequent

    - They use way more area

    - They work where each direction has an approximately equal amount of traffic. However, usually, one direction (north/south, say) has a larger share of the traffic. In those cases, the bulk of traffic all needs to slow down, downshift, turn a bit in one direction and then turn a bit in the other direction for the minority of traffic that's bleeding on or off the main artery. In those cases, a traffic light is better because the timing can be adjusted to the proportion of traffic from each direction (and more flexible since it can be adjusted over time).

    - Finally, they're also (mostly) worse for cyclists and pedestrians.

    Essentially, they have use cases, especially in small towns, and they're pretty, but they're usually not the right engineering solution.

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