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  • Don't they need that for China for compliance with their law?
    by thallosaurus
  • Possibly, but certainly the EU.
    by Gareth321
  • That would be really cool, if you can route your local model for it.
    by nicce
  • I think that's the end goal, at least looking at where their hardware is going. Or flexible routing with easy tasks running locally and only the more complex ones hitting the cloud
    by PunchyHamster
  • Apple Foundations Models Framework already aimed towards some generalized API for models. Personally I like it, just as I would be a little happier if instead of codex/claude/antigravity (rip gemini cli) I would have single standardized interface.

    With mobile devices especially where ideally models could be shared across several apps.

    But this specific code I'd assume is targeted to comply with EU regulations more than anything.

    OT:

    Since I've moved to Spain my principal Apple account is still in my home country but I've made another one for local app-store (since some local apps aren't available if you're not in the Spanish store).

    iPhone is acting really strange, I'm logged to my principal account for iCloud+ and anything and local App Store.

    If I log back to my principal account, I loose HCE mode and my building NFC app stops working until I re-log in the Spanish Apple Store.

    If I'm logged at the Spanish account, I loose Siri AI which is blocked in the EU...

    by rock_artist
  • I pray for the possibility of not only choosing the provider, but being able to choose the thinking level.

    I've been using the new siri, and it seems more or less stuck in instant-answer mode, which gives really terrible answers with any provider.

    I wish more people were talking about this, but if you can't crank up the models to extended thinking, the technology is more or less stuck at 2004 levels of usefulness.

    by awakeasleep
  • Once Siri gets MCP support, it’ll be my main orchestrator.

    I built an app that lets me run terminals on my MacBook. It’s a Next app so I can go to that website on my phone using Tailscale. It has a built-in MCP server, so I can connect it to ChatGPT and have it create terminal sessions, orchestrate terminal sessions, all that good stuff.

    Down the line, I’d like to be able to connect it to Siri and just talk to my phone and it can control terminal sessions and projects that I’m working on on my laptop.

    by theturtletalks
  • I'd love it if Siri does, but I don't expect big corps to keep supporting MCP since MCP gives so much control to the end user, can't charge for eg. Google integration when someone can just add an MCP to handle it.
    by c-hendricks
  • Oh, cool. I used tailscale to provide a private web app for my cross-harness orchestrator, too. (https://github.com/BrokkAi/mjolnir/)
    by jbellis
  • That’s actually a good solution. Create a platform where app actions can be invoked with a permission model by any AI model.

    Maybe apple can even have something similar to MCPs for tool invocations of apps and publish it so all models can actually be trained to use that framework

    by sajithdilshan
  • I actually think this is what they ended up doing - just regular conversations with tool calling into your various apps, behind a Siri AI API. not HTTP based mcps (for now) but rather local ones.
    by atonse
  • I would pay a good chunk of money if Apple released a local AI hub to coordinate all AI usage locally (including photo indexing).
    by syntaxing
  • You should look at Osaurus.
    by reilly3000
  • Photo indexing is already local. What specifically are you looking for?
    by azinman2
  • That is rumored to exist.

    https://www.macrumors.com/guide/apple-command-center/

    Mark Gurman seems to get extraordinarily accurate and detailed leaks. I wonder how Apple got this leaky. Pretty much everything about the Duo was known months in advance.

    by tencentshill
  • My favorite Siri behavior is telling it, on my phone, to turn on a focus state only for it to transfer the request to a nearby HomePod that tells me it can't help with that. I hope the new changes to it are an improvement, but the bar is currently buried in the dirt.
    by cdrnsf
  • This is a very clever platform play. If you make Siri / your mac the central access point for all AI related workflows and make models interchangeable, then Apple has a huge weapon in the AI race.
    by akie
  • I’ve been thinking recently about moving my notes from Notes.app to e.g. Notion because the latter jacks into ChatGPT and Claude, thereby giving them way more power as a personal assistant. This is the exact kind of move that would keep someone like me locked in.
    by lilytweed
  • The EU forced this on Apple and other manufacturers. Apple fought this bitterly, but there is only so much market share they are willing to lose before capitulating. https://futurium.ec.europa.eu/es/apply-ai-alliance/community...
    by lern_too_spel
  • I don't disagree, but I do feel the need to point out this was not Apple's plan A. Luckily for them they have so many tools and options at their disposal, that they are able to massively fail at developing their own models and still end up in a good position.
    by freedomben
  • And you can also sideload apps (only in the EU), change you default navigation app from apple maps (only in the EU), and use more features of the NFC reader (only in the EU).

    The code for all of those things is there, but not enabled if for most iOS users. There's a non-zero chance this code is there for Apple to try and convince the EU to let them release a Siri AI, and then just like sideloading have some impossible-to-actually-use alternative path to make the DMA happy.

    by TheDong
  • Apple can hold the AI customers hostage by locking this level of AI integration to their app store, taking a 30% cut of AI subscriptions while at the same time having someone else fix the reputation of their devices' voice assistant for them.

    There's profit to be made by offering customers choices here, I'm sure Apple will be ready to scoop up all of those delicious slop dollars.

    by jeroenhd
  • It’d be short sighted to not have a wrapper around which AI to use, even without implementation for them. Like, having an abstract parent class with a Siri implementation of it would be baseline good software engineering.
    by taybin
  • And given how Apple switched out OpenAI for Gemini (to power Siri), they experienced firsthand the importance of having said wrapper.
    by tiffanyh
  • That exists already for Apple devices. They just never give third party models first class access to user and device data.

    That arrangement will change, somewhat, later today.

    by dd8601fn
  • I’m not even sure how they would implement these features without them being interoperable. All the AI systems use pretty similar if not identical API standards.
    by Grombobulous
  • Yeah; plus we know they're designing with potential future local-only Vs. hybrid Vs. cloud-only in mind depending on hardware/market changes. So having it be this flexible buys them a ton of future potential.

    People have speculated that with FPGAs or even an ASIC you could take some smaller models we have today, turn the chip into essentially that model-as-hardware, and get some really compelling performance/power-usage characteristics.

    At that point running a GOOD quantized Q8 model on a phone is not beyond the realm.

    by Someone1234
  • Siri was the first widely available AI bot but they forgot to open it to developers. The ecosystem would have grown a million fold in all these years

    Never underestimate the power of a bored programmer

      Siri turn on the lights
  Siri code a Doom clone in Swift
  Siri design a landing page for a Consulting Agency
  Siri summarize the latest news about AI
  Siri find a solution to the Riemann hypothesis
    Now that's an agent I'd use. Can we start with Siri for the terminal?

    $ Siri 'List the files in this folder'

    by Kuyawa
  • Isn't Siri just a bunch of devs in a room editing conditional statements? They'd have to throw out the ecosystem once they embraced a real AI.
    by pupppet
  • Most people do not know tools to their problems already existed before AI.

    Example: "I can use AI to combine multiple PDFs into a single PDF."

    by yndoendo