Proposed Rule: Eliminating the Discretionary 60-Day Grace Period

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• Hacker News
• has there been any updates to the 100k premium for H1B hires ?

  definitely not a good time for H1Bs

  by zergrush
• Related, from a few hours ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49697171

  “New $100k H-1B visa fee pushes tech jobs offshore” (ieee.org)

  by WalterGR
• From brutal to cruel. Nice!
  by Cameri
• Does this leave them vulnerable to immediate ICE enforcement action on the loss of a job? If so, that's rather nasty.
  by drivingmenuts
• I thinks that it is entirely possible that they view the workers as some unnecessary burden to be eliminated and to be replaced with AI. 0 day grace period is probably intended to steal the workers' belongings by preventing them from selling them. Only humans will do such inhumane thing; AI would have never recommended this.. ever because they are trained to have more empathy.
  by silverFork
• How much of H1B hiring is because companies want to pay people less and how much is it because there genuinely aren't enough trained people to do the jobs?

  I ask this question because I don't have any exposure to h1b hiring, so I really do not have any sense for what really goes on. It sounds like these programs get abused, but there is a lot of noise out so I can't be sure.

  by Eddy_Viscosity2
• so this post was at the top of the 1st page of HN just a few min ago, and now it's down on Page 2 (#36 atm). Is this due to the title change, or something else?
  by yalok
• It probably set off a flamewar (or potential thereof) detector
  by slater
• Actual title: Eliminating the Discretionary 60-Day Grace Period (Thanks - the title has now been corrected.)

  This is a "Proposed Rule", and the comments window is open. Use that "Comment" button on the page to share your opinion with the decision makers.

  by codingdave
• What happens after this? This administration has clearly sent a message that foreign workers are not welcome in any capacity. Fruit not being picked, research not being completed, tech not being built. Hell, a quick search shows AAMC reports 20% of doctors and med students are foreign born and educated.

  No one seems to care in this admin. Absolutely wild.

  by rinconrex
• > AAMC reports 20% of doctors and med students are foreign born and educated

  This is by design: https://www.newsweek.com/there-are-limited-spots-doctors-med...

  (And 20% is barely above the overall US foreign born population, which is at 15%: https://www.statista.com/chart/8083/immigrants-foreign-born-...)

  by like_any_other
• No, they sent a message that business must buy their foreign works on both sides of the table.
  by cyanydeez
• The number of medical school spots is effectively capped by regulation, so there will be zero problems filling those slots.

  We have to integrate millions of immigrants and their children from Latin America who have come to the US over the last decade. They’re going to want to have upward mobility for their children. The kids of the fruit pickers are going to want to become doctors and professionals just as with prior waves of low skill immigration. It makes no sense to import new skilled workers, especially as many of those jobs are going to be automated away.

  by rayiner
• The grace period didn't even exist until 2017: https://www.regulations.gov/document/USCIS-2026-0364-0001 ("Before 2017, there was no grace period for nonimmigrant workers in E-1, E-2, E-3, H-1B, H-1B1, L-1, O-1, or TN classification whose employment or activity ended during their period of lawful status.").

  How did things work under Clinton, Bush, and Obama?

  by rayiner
• Looked at another way, the lack of grace period was indeed a problem back then, and that's why the Obama government proposed and finalized a rule to solve that problem. And now the Trump government proposes to reimpose the problem.
  by valleyer
• Poorly. How fucked up it was that we expected people to be on a plane out of the country the day they were fired was a recurring discussion. In practice no one actually did and there was a de facto grace period, but what people got away with was wildly inconsistent and how long you could spend in the country after getting fired was effectively random. Codifying the grace period made the whole process much more humane and predictable with no downside.
  by plorkyeran
• Think about the practicalities here. What would you do with your furniture, your apartment? Your car?

  With no grace period at all, you'd just have to abandon them, and I guess try to sell them remotely if you even can.

  by RugnirViking
• This problem left as an exercise for the taxpayer. /s
  by caust1c
• the real practicality here is that the OP is a request for comments.

  definitely a request to fulfill.

  by tessierashpool
• Startup idea..

  fired and on an h1b? Gotta take an emergency plane outta here on short notice?

  Mail us your car and apartment keys and we'll liquidate your assets for you and wire the funds to you

  We are seeking 1M$ for 10% of the company

  by TZubiri
• What did people do before the grace period was implemented in January 17, 2017? There was no grace period under Clinton, Bush, and Obama (except for the last three days)
  by rayiner
• Now worse than that, practically one might be up for this admin's ice to grab at the moment of their termination, or the update of that termination into USCIS's system, as the status is lost, unless they immediately book a plane ticket for today or tomorrow.

  60-day period is incredibly short to sort out one's belongings (and dependents) but it at least promises a way to let you leave legally, with some dignity. This proposal of elimination just reads like a plan to render people illegal and hunt them down.

  by daxuak
• This just adds to the list of reasons not to accept a position in the U.S.. The U.S. is a country that doesn't want you and whose elected government is dedicated to making you feel unwelcome. The money had better be damned good to even consider it, and now you'll probably have to demand 60-days of vacation and a written guarantee that you'll be able to take it before your employment can end.

  It's probably better to make a little less in a country that will treat you far better.

  by beloch
• That’s the whole point. Make people not want to come here.
  by david38
• This seems especially cruel in the wake of recent tech layoffs where you can find out that you're no longer employed while riding a corporate bus to work in the morning without any warnings or time to prepare.

  Can you imagine living here for many years, having a rented house with all the furniture, a car, bank accounts, gym memberships, friend groups, kids enrolled in local schools, and then suddenly being thrown out of the country without even having a chance to liquidate any of it just because Meta or Amazon has just dropped another 10k people layoff and and you're unlucky to be a part of it?

  by rwz
• Aren’t most tech companies subject to WARN act requirements of a 60-day notice period before layoffs? As I understand it, you’re technically employed during the period between the termination notice and official end of employment, even though you’re not working.
  by rayiner