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  • Even if you trust all current actors, the tapes are forever.
    by oknoooo7
  • https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49710883
    by hurfdurf
  • Any discussion of this must center the fact that the surveillance began in Jan.-Feb. 2001, NOT after 11 September. The one telecom executive who objected was instantly framed into prison.
    by FrankWilhoit
  • > the surveillance began in Jan.-Feb. 2001

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinThread

    > ThinThread was an intelligence gathering project by the United States National Security Agency (NSA) conducted throughout the 1990s.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_...

    > The Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA), passed in 1994, requires that all U.S. telecommunications and Internet service providers modify their networks to allow easy wiretapping of telephone, VoIP, and broadband Internet traffic.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairview_(surveillance_program...

    > FAIRVIEW is a secret program under which the National Security Agency cooperates with the American telecommunications company AT&T in order to collect phone, internet and e-mail data mainly of foreign countries' citizens at major cable landing stations and switching stations inside the United States. The FAIRVIEW program started in 1985

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

    > Created in the late 1960s to monitor the military and diplomatic communications of the Soviet Union and its Eastern Bloc allies during the Cold War, the ECHELON project became formally established in 1971

    Others?

    by amiga386
  • Just because we've been handling privacy terribly forever so far, doesn't means we should continue to though.
    by bilekas
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio

    " He was convicted of 19 counts of insider trading in Qwest stock on April 19, 2007 – charges his defense team claimed were U.S. government retaliation for his refusal to give customer data to the National Security Agency in February, 2001. This defense was not admissible in court because the U.S. Department of Justice filed an in limine motion, which is often used in national security cases, to exclude information which may reveal state secrets. Information from the Classified Information Procedures Act hearings in Nacchio's case was likewise ruled inadmissible. "

    by leonidasrup